2 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

I think Jennifer is a bit more recastable than Hope, though Hope's not un-recastable at all. It's just too soon. And I doubt Corday gives up 'Hope' she comes back. So I doubt we ever see a recast. Hope was easier to write out too as they were likely planning that break for her. Jennifer is in the middle of the Gwen/Abby stuff and whatever Jack did during her blackout (feels like Ron kinda pulled it out of his ass to give them something to do and I didn't miss Jack being the town punching bag so here we go ... )

 

I have to agree on Cameron's Jen too. She was the Jennifer I watched, so Jennifer is recastable to me, much more than Hope is. But Melissa Reeves definitely brings 'it' to Jennifer, although Cady is doing a really good job and I'm more than happy with her in the role. Obviously I've watched most of Missy's original run at this point and so she IS Jennifer, but at the same time ... I feel much more open to a recast for a number of reasons.

 

The blackout had some moments and highlights but it wasn't super exciting. Jan and Belle were fun. Marlena in doctor mode was fun. John/Orpheus had their moment. Evan had his moment. Kate her moment. I liked Nicole/Allie. It was OK.

 

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I'm not sure why folks are so quick to want Hope recast? Personally a break was needed, as much as I'll miss Alfonso. She reminded me what she could do with Ciara's 'death'. I've just felt checked out on her for quite a few years and the character of Hope. But I will miss her. I still, honestly, feel Bo's absence. And other vets that have passed away, their absence is still felt. Although Bo was recast in the past and I do think he is recastable as well. Just about everyone is, but YMMV. 

 

There are tons of Hortons to pull from. Melissa could easily fill that role.

 

Um. How did I quote MYSELF? LMAO. Sorry yall. Board is glitchy it seems ...

10 hours ago, prefab1 said:

I hope that whenever they bring Sami back again, they'll continue to explore this Marlena/Ben bond. Last time Sami was on, she expressed shock and horror that her mom had gotten close with the man who strangled Will. And there's a visible contrast between the way Marlena treats Sami--coldly, barely disguising her annoyance and frustration--and the nurturing way she treats Ben.

Idk. I'd hate to see Sami ruined in order to prop Ben. That's happened to more than enough characters lol

10 minutes ago, Bright Eyes said:

As for Kate, the Roman relationship, though I personally thought it was garbage, was the last time she felt like a prominent character where she wasn't clutching at straws for a story. I'd say her bedding EJ was the beginning of the end for her nonsense direction of being a welcome wagon and pseudo DiMera matriarch. Awful.

And now the bedding of Jake might make it even worse for Kate

13 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

I'm not sure why folks are so quick to want Hope recast? Personally a break was needed, as much as I'll miss Alfonso. She reminded me what she could do with Ciara's 'death'. I've just felt checked out on her for quite a few years and the character of Hope. But I will miss her. I still, honestly, feel Bo's absence. And other vets that have passed away, their absence is still felt.

 

There are tons of Hortons to pull from. Melissa could easily fill that role.

A break was definitely needed. They really didn't know what to do with Hope after her marriage to Rafe ended. I feel that by resting the character, it could open new storyline possibilities for Shawn and other Hortons as well.

 

Melissa, and Nathan and Jeremy too can easily be brought back to keep the Horton family front and center.

19 minutes ago, Bright Eyes said:

As for Kate, the Roman relationship, though I personally thought it was garbage, was the last time she felt like a prominent character where she wasn't clutching at straws for a story. I'd say her bedding EJ was the beginning of the end for her nonsense direction of being a welcome wagon and pseudo DiMera matriarch. Awful.

 

Why?  I kind of like Roman/Kate.  Although I don't think Roman would ever go for a woman like Kate.  It's weird that I can believe John would go for a woman like Kate even though he was Roman lol. Marlena was too "independent" for WN's Roman, so I have a hard time believing a man with sexiest moral values would go after a former hooker, but JT isn't Roman at all to me so I just thought they had decent chemistry.  And were a nice, stable pairing.   But again Roman was married to Anna, so maybe that not much of a stretch.

22 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

I think Jennifer is a bit more recastable than Hope, though Hope's not un-recastable at all. It's just too soon. And I doubt Corday gives up 'Hope' she comes back. So I doubt we ever see a recast. Hope was easier to write out too as they were likely planning that break for her. Jennifer is in the middle of the Gwen/Abby stuff and whatever Jack did during her blackout (feels like Ron kinda pulled it out of his ass to give them something to do and I didn't miss Jack being the town punching bag so here we go ... )

 

I have to agree on Cameron's Jen too. She was the Jennifer I watched, so Jennifer is recastable to me, much more than Hope is. But Melissa Reeves definitely brings 'it' to Jennifer, although Cady is doing a really good job and I'm more than happy with her in the role. Obviously I've watched most of Missy's original run at this point and so she IS Jennifer, but at the same time ... I feel much more open to a recast for a number of reasons.

 

The blackout had some moments and highlights but it wasn't super exciting. Jan and Belle were fun. Marlena in doctor mode was fun. John/Orpheus had their moment. Evan had his moment. Kate her moment. I liked Nicole/Allie. It was OK.

 

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I'm not sure why folks are so quick to want Hope recast? Personally a break was needed, as much as I'll miss Alfonso. She reminded me what she could do with Ciara's 'death'. I've just felt checked out on her for quite a few years and the character of Hope. But I will miss her. I still, honestly, feel Bo's absence. And other vets that have passed away, their absence is still felt.

 

There are tons of Hortons to pull from. Melissa could easily fill that role.

 

I don't want to drag Jennifer or MR (outside MR's beliefs- I am just talking about acting/character) but Jennifer is a much more classic heroine than Hope.  I think her overall character is a little easier to take on than Hopes.  Missy Reeves brings herself which makes the character charming, but Jennifer on paper isn't really that hard to portray.  Hope's a little deeper.  

 

I will say I was watching the scene where Stephanie Cameron takes over Jen in Jude's office and Missy had played the same scene basically the day before, and the difference was obviously glaring, but SC didn't bother me long run.

 

I get that Hope without Bo is easier to recast because she was kinda just there or playing Gina for years.  Hope has more of a handicap than Marlena or Kayla.  It would be sad with no Jarlena or Stayla, but I feel like they could keep them occupied in other roles without their pairings and they just seemed to want to push Hope onto the next love interest.  

57 minutes ago, carolineg said:

 

Why?  I kind of like Roman/Kate.  Although I don't think Roman would ever go for a woman like Kate.  It's weird that I can believe John would go for a woman like Kate even though he was Roman lol. Marlena was too "independent" for WN's Roman, so I have a hard time believing a man with sexiest moral values would go after a former hooker, but JT isn't Roman at all to me so I just thought they had decent chemistry.  And were a nice, stable pairing.   But again Roman was married to Anna, so maybe that not much of a stretch.

 

There's the first reason being that I wouldn't want JT's Roman with anyone or even on the show in the first place. I do think Roman would be interested in Kate. He's always liked a challenge. I don't think she'd see much in him though. I did buy her with John, but obviously that was never going to be long term. Most importantly, I will always be chaffed by the fact that we have never gotten a proper exploration of a Bill/Kate relationship. He is definitively the love of her life. After him, every man she's ever been with hasn't been real love. It's been for power, security, a thrill, loneliness, but never love. Bill/Laura would be endgame, but we should/deserved to have seen that triangle play out. It could have been golden. 

7 minutes ago, Bright Eyes said:

 

There's the first reason being that I wouldn't want JT's Roman with anyone or even on the show in the first place. I do think Roman would be interested in Kate. He's always liked a challenge. I don't think she'd see much in him though. I did buy her with John, but obviously that was never going to be long term. Most importantly, I will always be chaffed by the fact that we have never gotten a proper exploration of a Bill/Kate relationship. He is definitively the love of her life. After him, every man she's ever been with hasn't been real love. It's been for power, security, a thrill, loneliness, but never love. Bill/Laura would be endgame, but we should/deserved to have seen that triangle play out. It could have been golden. 

 

I would have loved Bill and Kate explored more. Sigh.

5 minutes ago, Bright Eyes said:

 

There's the first reason being that I wouldn't want JT's Roman with anyone or even on the show in the first place. I do think Roman would be interested in Kate. He's always liked a challenge. I don't think she'd see much in him though. I did buy her with John, but obviously that was never going to be long term. Most importantly, I will always be chaffed by the fact that we have never gotten a proper exploration of a Bill/Kate relationship. He is definitively the love of her life. After him, every man she's ever been with hasn't been real love. It's been for power, security, a thrill, loneliness, but never love. Bill/Laura would be endgame, but we should/deserved to have seen that triangle play out. It could have been golden. 

 

I always thought Victor was the love of her life.  I wouldn't mind a better explanation of her and bill though.  I think her and john were a viable pairing though

1 minute ago, carolineg said:

 

I always thought Victor was the love of her life.  I wouldn't mind a better explanation of her and bill though.  I think her and john were a viable pairing though

 

Just my opinion, but Bill for the win for me. I think Victor was for power. Lucas is her love child, her favourite child. But like I alluded to, they shouldn't be end game either. And everyone knows, Caroline was the love of Victor's life. My opinion is just based on the actual characters though on paper. As for actual actor chemistry, I do agree Koslow and Hogestyn had a lot of it. Koslow rarely falters in that area, neither does Hogestyn for that matter. But the show was never going to go there permanently, so it's a moot point. But at least we get so see him do her from behind. #memories

 

To bring it back, it still remains that the whole John/Roman/Melaswen saga was her last great hurrah as a character, in terms of a full arc. As soon as Rex/Cassie were stupidly taken away from being Tony/Marlena's kids, the throw it at the wall and see what sticks mentality began.

5 minutes ago, Bright Eyes said:

 

Just my opinion, but Bill for the win for me. I think Victor was for power. Lucas is her love child, her favourite child. But like I alluded to, they shouldn't be end game either. And everyone knows, Caroline was the love of Victor's life. My opinion is just based on the actual characters though on paper. As for actual actor chemistry, I do agree Koslow and Hogestyn had a lot of it. Koslow rarely falters in that area, neither does Hogestyn for that matter. But the show was never going to go there permanently, so it's a moot point. But at least we get so see him do her from behind. #memories

 

To bring it back, it still remains that the whole John/Roman/Melaswen saga was her last great hurrah as a character, in terms of a full arc. As soon as Rex/Cassie were stupidly taken away from being Tony/Marlena's kids, the throw it at the wall and see what sticks mentality began.

 

That was a hard day for some many reasons lol in Jarlena fandom, but I feel like John/Marlena are fairly kinky as well or at least the show makes us want to feel like that.

 

I know the show would never go there permanently but it's always felt like a missed opportunity?  Like why go there to begin with to just completely drop it forever and ever?

15 minutes ago, Bright Eyes said:

Just my opinion, but Bill for the win for me. I think Victor was for power. Lucas is her love child, her favourite child. But like I alluded to, they shouldn't be end game either.

I can see that happening. JER never really explored that Bill/Kate dynamic in detail. Once Laura exposed Kate and Bill's affair, he ran out of town with his tail between his legs. If he stayed on the canvas, Kate could have turned to Bill again as Victor and Vivian got closer. Throwing Laura into that mix would have good as well.

 

I don't think Victor is the love of Kate's life either. If he truly was, she wouldn't have been able to try to kill him as easily as she did in 2000-2001.

4 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I know the show would never go there permanently but it's always felt like a missed opportunity?  Like why go there to begin with to just completely drop it forever and ever?

I think pairing John and Kate was just a plot point for the rehashed John/Marlena/Roman triangle that JER tried to do. He did recycle a lot of the same storylines from his first run as head writer during his second run.

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If I want to watch Dixie or Rosanna..I'll watch old AMC or ATWT.  Cady is a miscast, she's the all wrong for Jennifer.

 

Jennifer is a hot head, gives as good as she gives..which MR and to a lesser extent Cameron gave.  Cady just doesn't have the tools to do that...she was lackluster on Y & R  because she wasn't Kelly...same as with Days and Jennifer.

On 10/12/2020 at 9:48 PM, StevieM said:

I was wondering if the regular posters here had speculated that Jack might be Gwen's father.  It seemed like they were hinting at that today. 

 

If Jack is the father, then the mother might be a woman named Kristina.  She was Victor's pseudo-niece/goddaughter from Europe.  Jack was sleeping with her when he was engaged to Melissa, Maggie's daughter.  Actually, they had sex in the church dressing room a half an hour before Jack and Melissa's wedding was supposed to happen.  (Jack was really bad back then).

 

With any other writer I would assume that they would just make up another woman from when Jack was off camera and he and Jen were divorced.  But Ron Carlivati loves to show that he knows his shows' history, even bringing up obscure characters from the past.  When he was at OLTL he regularly did this.  And, of course, he famously destroyed Genie Francis' Diana Colville with that insane story, although he did understand the importance of having her call him "Roman" when they first saw each other.

 

Another possibility is that Peter Blake is her father.  When Matt and Missy first returned in 2001, after a long absence, they essentially wrote that whole era out of the show's history.  It was never mentioned--not once.  The closest they came to even alluding to it was when Jen realized the truth about who Colin Murphy really was.  Headwriters Peter Brash and Paula Cwigly clearly hated Ken Corday's guidelines about that era, and took the opportunity to have Jen make a cryptic statement about how she found the wrong guy on purpose then say "you would think the past would have taught me something." 

 

In recent years there seem to have been some fleeting mentions of Peter.  I haven't watched the show regularly for a while now, but that is what I have gathered.  So I guess the faux era, as J&J fans used to call it, is part of the show's cannon again.  Peter could be brought back, provided the role is recast with a new actor.  Obviously, Missy Reeves and Jason Brooks will never work together again.

 

 

 

Making Peter Blake her father would be genius.  This is my thought:

 

After leaving Salem, Peter hooked up with someone, possibly a Jenn lookalike or something just for kicks that he treated like crap.  She ended up pregnant and maybe dies in labor, leaving him Gwen.  Hearing that J & J are reunited, he plots his revenge by telling Gwen that Jennifer is her real mother and that she can't be with them because of Jack and Abigail.  Over the years, he plants these seeds in her head until he determines she's ready to be his tool to exact revenge, like while was in the coma after getting married.  Gwen comes to town to eliminate Abigail so she can be with her "mother".  Jack gets in the way and so she tried to eliminate him, too.  Peter has either truly died or faked his death so he can watch his daughter do his dirty work.  The truth does come out and she bonds with Kristen and Stefan.

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@KMan101 I do agree that Belle and Jan were amazing during the blackout. I have felt that the show has been missing something without Belle and Shawn, especially with Claire around. Having them back has added *so* much to the show. I feel like they, along with Phillip and Chloe should always be around. I can’t wait to fast forward a few months when we will have that five back plus Sami. If Ron continues to write them well then it could give him a lot of momentum going forward. 

7 hours ago, KMan101 said:

 

I would have loved Bill and Kate explored more. Sigh.

I would have loved to see that story played out. I thought there was some hope when they recast Bill for Alice's funeral and Kate and Bill shared scenes. Seeing a triangle with Bill/Kate/and a pissed off Laura would have been great. It would have created Lucas/Jennifer conflict and would work towards making the Hortons feel more like a family versus scattered relatives.

21 hours ago, Chris B said:

@KMan101 I do agree that Belle and Jan were amazing during the blackout. I have felt that the show has been missing something without Belle and Shawn, especially with Claire around. Having them back has added *so* much to the show. I feel like they, along with Phillip and Chloe should always be around. I can’t wait to fast forward a few months when we will have that five back plus Sami. If Ron continues to write them well then it could give him a lot of momentum going forward. 

 

I agree completely. I've wanted them back for so long. They belong on the canvas. It was ridiculous they were guest stars/pop-ins. I do feel like Ron or Ryan seem to want them on the canvas. It has added a lot. We need that generation represented.

 

Also looking forward to Sami.

 

It's kind of a shame we have a meh Abby and a meh Claire as they are knee deep in storyline though.

16 hours ago, pdm1974 said:

I would have loved to see that story played out. I thought there was some hope when they recast Bill for Alice's funeral and Kate and Bill shared scenes. Seeing a triangle with Bill/Kate/and a pissed off Laura would have been great. It would have created Lucas/Jennifer conflict and would work towards making the Hortons feel more like a family versus scattered relatives.

 

Right?  I was thinking the same thing. It was really stupid of the show to not beef up the Horton's during that time. I would have if I were in charge. Not to mention Kate was forced into marriage with Stefano (they weren't some great love as the show likes to pretend) at the time. It writes itself. But nooooo. 

2 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

I agree completely. I've wanted them back for so long. They belong on the canvas. It was ridiculous they were guest stars/pop-ins. I do feel like Ron or Ryan seem to want them on the canvas. It has added a lot. We need that generation represented.

 

Also looking forward to Sami.

 

It's kind of a shame we have a meh Abby and a meh Claire as they are knee deep in storyline though.

 

Right?  I was thinking the same thing. It was really stupid of the show to not beef up the Horton's during that time. I would have if I were in charge. Not to mention Kate was forced into marriage with Stefano (they weren't some great love as the show likes to pretend) at the time. It writes itself. But nooooo. And now Bill's dead. I don't even think Kate knows! LMAO

 

I am not liking this new style. I go to edit my post and I end up quoting myself and editing the quote. WTF?

50 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

 

I am not liking this new style. I go to edit my post and I end up quoting myself and editing the quote. WTF?

The edit is on top now. It took me awhile to figure that out.