2 hours ago, Khan said:

ODAAT is not a reboot.  Okay?  It's just a new series w/ a familiar name (and a character also named "Dwayne Schneider").

 

Well, I put the term on quotation marks because I find that it no longer has a clear definition and has become a catch-all for anything that furthers a pre-existing franchise, but it’s highly likely that this FOL “reboot” would more closely resemble the new incarnation of ODAAT (which I’ve watched more than enough of both the original and new series to determine their relation to one another) than it would fall along the lines of Roseanne or Will & Grace.

 

I miss the days when we used the very certain terms “remake” and “revival.”

9 minutes ago, All My Shadows said:

Well, I put the term on quotation marks because --

 

Blah blah blah.  Whatever.  

 

You know, I'm not the only one who has expressed reservations about this move -- but, as always, you have to single me out.

 

If you really hate me and reading my opinions so much, why don't you just [!@#$%^&*] put me on ignore?  Because, having Erica Kane as your avatar doesn't give you carte blanche to always target me like a bully.

Edited August 5, 20187 yr by Khan

53 minutes ago, Khan said:

 

Blah blah blah.  Whatever.  

 

You know, I'm not the only one who has expressed reservations about this move -- but, as always, you have to single me out.

 

If you really hate me and reading my opinions so much, why don't you just [!@#$%^&*] put me on ignore?  Because, having Erica Kane as your avatar doesn't give you carte blanche to always target me like a bully.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat are you talking about???????????

I just spent like thirty minutes examining posts I've made in the last YEAR, specifically my replies to YOU, and every last one of them has been part of perfectly pleasant conversation. You're either heavily medicated or you feel some type of way about me, but whatever it is, I can't claim responsibility for it because I haven't done anything to you.

ETA: And in the case of this thread, my initial post singled you out because I was replying to something you specifically said in an effort to add to the conversation. Then you caught a slight attitude.

Edited August 5, 20187 yr by All My Shadows

1 hour ago, Khan said:

Nancy's entire character was defined by one fact: she really loved Roger.  A lot.  

 

Was she the one who was trapped in a barn with him in a rainstorm? That episode always me feel very sad when I was a child. 

 

Two of the other ones I remember from the first season were the ridiculously overwrought episode where one of the girls (I think) had a bong, and the one where Blair had a modeling session with a guy who was a perv (was that Blair?).

 

One thing which never got a lot of credit for the success of FoL (the first 4-5 years, anyway - not as much when Clooney, Astin, etc. came in) is that it could feel very 'real.' I remember when I was a child, I was so horrified by the episode where Natalie was nearly raped. You always hear about the reality of how a woman dresses not causing a sexual assault, but I don't think any lecture could make that clearer than the image of Natalie stumbling into the hall, bloodied, with her Charlie Chaplin costume torn.

22 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

Was she the one who was trapped in a barn with him in a rainstorm? That episode always me feel very sad when I was a child. 

 

Two of the other ones I remember from the first season were the ridiculously overwrought episode where one of the girls (I think) had a bong, and the one where Blair had a modeling session with a guy who was a perv (was that Blair?).

 

One thing which never got a lot of credit for the success of FoL (the first 4-5 years, anyway - not as much when Clooney, Astin, etc. came in) is that it could feel very 'real.' I remember when I was a child, I was so horrified by the episode where Natalie was nearly raped. You always hear about the reality of how a woman dresses not causing a sexual assault, but I don't think any lecture could make that clearer than the image of Natalie stumbling into the hall, bloodied, with her Charlie Chaplin costume torn.

Nancy was on the Phone with Roger during the storm. Blair was in the stable with Mr. Bradley and was crushing on him while he was wearing a tank top.....LOL

 

That attempted Rape of Natalie was a creepy and remember it from childhood too. The modeling session was a guy who wanted to make Tootie the face of the 80's and wanted her to pose nude and told her she needed to lose weight. The bong one was Blair and Sue Ann being asked to join a group of popular girls which one was played by Helen Hunt). Sue Anne is pressured into smoking dope and gets high.

1 minute ago, SoapDope said:

Nancy was on the Phone with Roger during the storm. Blair was in the stable with Mr. Bradley and was crushing on him while he was wearing a tank top.....LOL

 

That attempted Rape of Natalie was a creepy and remember it from childhood too. The modeling session was a guy who wanted to make Tootie the face of the 80's and wanted her to pose nude and told her she needed to lose weight. The bong one was Blair and Sue Ann being asked to join a group of popular girls which one was played by Helen Hunt). Sue Anne is pressured into smoking dope and gets high.

 

Thanks. You have a better memory than I do. I need to watch some of those again. 

 

I read that the actor who played Roger passed away a few months ago. I can see why they downgraded him, as you really only needed Mrs. Garrett, but I always liked him. 

9 hours ago, All My Shadows said:

I think One Day at a Time has proven that you can "reboot" a series without being a slave to the source material and still do a good job.

 

Bingo

 

Facts of Life could easily work again if done with the care ODAT received. Don't try to be a parody of the original. Be original while still playing homage to the past.

 

It can be done.

 

Now it's just a matter if people want it or not.

 

Frankly I'm numb to the idea of reboots at this point. And when people hear "reboot" they imagine Golden Girls Facts of Life edition. I imagine it's more like One Day at a Time. I think we should just accept this is the go-to thing right now. It's a fad. We've been down reboot city before. It is what it is.

Nope. This is gonna suck.

 

Personally. I still hated that the finale idea of the spinoff with Blair didn't work out. I thought she would have made a good Head Mistress for Eastland. 

I liked the idea of Blair being a lawyer... I liked when she was helping out on a murder case, and she figured it out while others underestimated her.  Lets face it, Elle Woods was the Blair Warner of the early 21st century.

I thought ODAAT was a bizarre idea to reboot and it worked very well. The FOL premise is certainly a solid one to revive or reboot despite my profound hate/ironic love relationship with the show, so why not.

The new ODAAT is really good from what I've seen of it. SO yeah I could accept something along that line. At least have Lisa involved somehow and maybe Mindy would be willing to make appearances. I can even picture something with a Blair JR type character who is Blair's daughter lol

10 hours ago, Ryan Chamberlain said:

Nope. This is gonna suck.

 

Personally. I still hated that the finale idea of the spinoff with Blair didn't work out. I thought she would have made a good Head Mistress for Eastland. 

 

I didn't like the ending. It was OK but Jo was the teacher. The premise worked for Blair but at the same time it didn't work for me. I liked the idea overall and it made sense to go with Blair. IDK. I think I let my intense meh-ness towards the final two seasons affect my view of the finale. I guess I wish it were a better finale not that it wasn't a good idea for a spin-off. (anyone remember Anne from DAYS. She was there)

 

15 minutes ago, dragonflies said:

The new ODAAT is really good from what I've seen of it. SO yeah I could accept something along that line. At least have Lisa involved somehow and maybe Mindy would be willing to make appearances. I can even picture something with a Blair JR type character who is Blair's daughter lol

 

I could see Lisa doing it. But I imagine it would depend. Not like Lisa, Mindy and Kim and Nancy (who'd run screaming from it probably) to some degree haven't kept in contact. Not saying I want The Facts of Life Golden Girls edition, but it could be done right. I also don't know if they should rely on the past cast. Mac Phillips does guest stints on ODAT but not as her former character and it works just fine.

10 hours ago, Ryan Chamberlain said:

Nope. This is gonna suck.

 

Personally. I still hated that the finale idea of the spinoff with Blair didn't work out. I thought she would have made a good Head Mistress for Eastland. 

 

So it's gonna suck without even seeing it? I had the same thought about ODAT before I saw it and I loved every second of it.

10 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

I liked the idea of Blair being a lawyer... I liked when she was helping out on a murder case, and she figured it out while others underestimated her.  Lets face it, Elle Woods was the Blair Warner of the early 21st century.

 

Bingo

 

Although it wasn't the worst idea, saving Eastland. It just seemed so thrown together in an attempt at a spin-off.

Edited August 5, 20187 yr by KMan101

4 hours ago, KMan101 said:

Mac Phillips does guest stints on ODAT but not as her former character and it works just fine.

 

It works fine, because the new ODAAT and the classic ODAAT don't operate in the same universe, despite both including a character with the same name.  Today's ODAAT is a revival strictly in name only.  Otherwise, it might as well be a entirely different series (which it is) with its own name.

 

If the FOL spinoff w/ Blair as headmistress had occurred as planned, then it might have been nice (and logical) to see Jo on the show as well.  I could see Blair hiring her best friend to work at Eastland as part of her plan to save their old school.

I think FOL is ripe for a reimagining for the simple fact that they would probably not try to recreate the original characters and instead develop new ones. They'd learn the same life lessons the girls learned in the 80s, but it's a different world (...from where you come from...), and with different girls, you'd have a different show. If the spirit remains the same, as is the case with ODAAT, it can absolutely work.

In no way did I think all of the changes they made to the ODAAT formula would produce a series that had the same tone and spirit as the original, but they did exactly that.

20 hours ago, Khan said:

But imagine if even Jermaine was too expensive for them.  Then, you would've had Tootie losing her s**t for Tito.

 

Last weekend by some strange twist of fate, I saw a fan video with the audio from that long forgotten Kim Fields song "Dear Michael".  I was kid so I have a very vague recollection of that song, I didn't even remember that Kim Fields had done it. 

 

I don't think it came down to money that they couldn't get Michael, it was probably that Michael just didn't want to do it.   Maybe a time issue too?

Chip Fields got on well with the Jacksons and Penny, er Janet was friends with Kim for a bit but it seemed like sitcoms and soaps was more a Jermaine thing.