48 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

Peter Bergman is no Terry Lester. His deliver was just awful. I have never cared for his smug version of Jack. TL version always had a vulnerable side to Jack. TL's Jack has always reminded me of SB's Craig on ATWT.

 

Bergman's delivery is awful. If the goal is to make Jack an unlikable pissy bitch, it's working. Someone deaf and blind could see and know what Jack's doing is just out of spite. But he did have a point. Why is the competition in the building still? There's Newman and Chancellor they could be in.

 

Heinle looked like a mess today. Get this woman a [!@#$%^&*] stylist, please. She also looks bored as hell every damn time she's on-screen. Get some energy. I like Thompson as Billy though. It's working for me.

 

Nice to see Cane and Ashley interact. They'd be a good match but the man is so boring. And Eileen channels Kristen so much more now playing Ashley IMO. I didn't care for her RHOBH co-star until the end but I guess it was a cute guest stint. She looked icy as hell until she started talking.

 

I don't really see what Hillary is saying in regards to Devon, but it does seem like all he wants to do is buy things as if that's the answer. The intention is good but the execution sucks. I actually bought them as a couple at the end when she finally came around. I want more of that. And when Hillary was talking about making over their new place I really hope that god-awful carpet is the first to go. (Points to Neil giving Devon a pep-talk but it's hard to ignore the Hillary aspect of their relationship when he wants advice ...)

 

A meh episode is still good though. I liked the episode enough.

Edited December 15, 20168 yr by KMan101

12 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

Bergman's delivery is awful. If the goal is to make Jack an unlikable pissy bitch, it's working. Someone deaf and blind could see and know what Jack's doing is just out of spite. But he did have a point. Why is the competition in the building still? There's Newman and Chancellor they could be in.

 

 

Bergman's Jack has never been likeable for me. No matter how evil TL's Jack got he was likeable.

13 minutes ago, KMan101 said:

 

 

Heinle looked like a mess today. Get this woman a [!@#$%^&*] stylist, please. She also looks bored as hell every damn time she's on-screen. Get some energy. I like Thompson as Billy though. It's working for me.

 

 

Glad you mentioned it. I noticed it too. She looked like a damn old bag lady...

29 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

I agree about Hilary's motivations. But the dialogue was not something that we have seen onscreen. She complained about Devon buying her when we have only ever seen him buy her a bridal gift and that house. He didn't buy GC Buzz for her despite what Devon said. And she asked him to fund that lab thing with Neville. She has whipped out his checkbook far more than he ever has. Then her telling that guy that she wanted to make Devon grovel  ruined her little speeches because it came across as her trying to make him beg, which he did. And when he did, Hilary gave that evil smile to let us know that she was sincere in nothing that she told him. Everything is still a manipulation.

 

I am hoping that Devon calls her bluff or even takes her at her word and A) present her with a post-nup to sign and B ) tells her that he understands and supports her getting a job somewhere else. Let her outsmart and out manipulate her self this time.

 

I'm wondering if SS is trying to spin the stuff that Chuckie wrote to give Hilary a little more dimension.  But the problem with that - as you pointed out - was that we saw her do those things onscreen.  Those little side eyes and smirks takes away from the grandstanding and does nothing to humanize or soften her.  She has to have one person that she can be real with.

 

IA regarding AH.  Those scenes with Cane at B&S would have been more impactful ("Two can play that game" or whatever it was she was saying) if the character was styled more powerful.  It's hard to take Victoria seriously as an important and formidable business person when she looks like she does.  I'd even go so far to say that I think AH can deliver lines pretty convincingly.    But her look is all wrong.

 

 

Edited December 15, 20168 yr by GMac

I will never care for the Hillary/Devon pairing. I hope they split them up for good!

2 minutes ago, GMac said:

 

I'm wondering if SS is trying to spin the stuff that Chuckie wrote to give Hilary a little more dimension.  But the problem with that - as you pointed out - was that we saw her do those things onscreen.  Those little side eyes and smirks takes away from the grandstanding and does nothing to humanize or soften her.  She has to have one person that she can be real with.

 

Those side eyes and smirks are things that someone needs to tell Mishael Morgan to stop. They take her from being a vixen to being an evil villain.  It was totally unnecessary since we had the scene with her and that guy. We understood her manipulation without it. 

 

 

 

I like PB as jack but he's not some grande thespian as some make him out for be. He's gotten lazy and tends to fall back on the same quirks. Boss Jack will fall back into the same saccharine song as soon as Jack gets a love interest. 

There's nothing that will make you like Hevon?  Just curious.

 

2 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

Those side eyes and smirks are things that someone needs to tell Mishael Morgan to stop. They take her from being a vixen to being an evil villain.  It was totally unnecessary since we had the scene with her and that guy. We understood her manipulation without it. 

 

 

 

I like PB as jack but he's not some grande thespian as some make him out for be. He's gotten lazy and tends to fall back on the same quirks. Boss Jack will fall back into the same saccharine song as soon as Jack gets a love interest. 

The side eyes and smirks make Hillary more appealing IMO. You don't know for sure if she is being sincere or up to no good.

 

PB has gotten very lazy.

3 minutes ago, GMac said:

There's nothing that will make you like Hevon?  Just curious.

 

Nope...lol

8 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

Those side eyes and smirks are things that someone needs to tell Mishael Morgan to stop. They take her from being a vixen to being an evil villain.  It was totally unnecessary since we had the scene with her and that guy. We understood her manipulation without it. 

 

 

 

I like PB as jack but he's not some grande thespian as some make him out for be. He's gotten lazy and tends to fall back on the same quirks. Boss Jack will fall back into the same saccharine song as soon as Jack gets a love interest. 

 

 

 

What's wrong with her having side glances?? Dru and Phyllis did this all the time. I mean Phyllis was an all-out psycho in the past but in the later years, she still kept it up. No one really accuses her of being a villian, why should it be any different for Hilary. I like that this is her personality. Dru did it all the time and was loved for it. I believe Dru is one of the most loved characters on Y&R ever.  I  don't understand why Hilary should be expected to hold back on the antics. To me, it makes her even more interesting and less generic. I just don't get all the hate for this character. She is a saint compared to the majority of the females on this show: Phyllis, Chloe, Sharon, Chelsea, Nikki. Just saying. 

Edited December 15, 20168 yr by mr. sweet

I don't hate her for the side eyes and smirks.  I don't hate her at all, actually.  I love the character.  Those things should be one facet of the character, not the only one.  JMO.  Hilary needs a little more depth and dimension like Dru's characterization.  She wasn't all evil, all the time and she had a trusted friend in Sharon.  Hilary doesn't. 

 

Hilary and MM are one of the reasons I watch this show, so no hate here :-)

 

 

 

 

They should have made MM the new Dru. She would have made a great recast as Dru.

You think?  She's way too young

3 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

They should have made MM the new Dru. She would have made a great recast as Dru.

 

I think they should have made her Dru daughter from Dru time on the streets. She came to take revenge on her mother but she found out her mother die. So she took her revenge out on CKLily.

Waaay too young. 

 

And besides I don't think anyone will ever be accepted as a Dru recast. There are just some actresses and characters that can't or shouldn't be recast.

 

I love Hilary as Hilary. And it looks like the writers love Hilary as well so I can't wait to see where she can go from here. And even though I love her with Devon, after another poster here suggested her with Noah, I can't get the possibilities out of my mind. I want that to happen one day.

9 minutes ago, Soapsuds said:

They should have made MM the new Dru. She would have made a great recast as Dru.

 

Tread lightly because I thought the author of this particular post was Johnny. Just sayin...

Oh please...VR is replaceable.  Their have been worst recasts in age etc etc ....so having MM play Dru wouldn't have been a big deal....just sayin....LOL

Edited December 15, 20168 yr by Soapsuds