By the way, another retcon or rewrite to Erica's rape that I didn't care for was how we learned, after I don't remember how many years, that Vanessa had been there that night and saw it all occur. Really, AMC?

I'm a little foggy on that. I remember it, but not all the details. How exactly did they say all that went down?

I'm a little foggy on that. I remember it, but not all the details. How exactly did they say all that went down?

She wasn't there. She was dating Richard Fields at the time (which is how she became pregnant with Trey) and heard gossip but didn't know for sure. But she felt something was up with Fields and gave Trey up to keep him out of his life. It wasn't until years later when Vanessa was trying to do an expose on Erica that she looked up the court transcripts when she went on trial for stabbing Dimitri with the letter opener that she realized the gossip was true. But she wasn't there. She just put two and two together.

Thanks, R, for correcting me! Admittedly, I'd only heard Vanessa had been there the night of Erica's rape. I'm glad to know that, for once, AMC exercised a little restraint.

(By the by, R, glad you're back!)

(By the by, R, glad you're back!)

Isn't it fabulous that the baddest bitches in SON history both returned in the same week?

Let the conspiracy theories begin!

Another one from AMC that irked me: everyone is alive! Okay, I understand righting the wrong that was the killing of Stuart, but this idea that David could be anywhere he needed to be in order to keep someone from dying - even someone like Zach who was blown up in an airplane explosion - is just ridiculous. The peak of absurdity for me was having Dixie be alive AGAIN. Come on - the woman already died ONCE on the show and came back. We SAW HER DIE in the hospital, and David was halfway across the world when it happened. Having her be an Orpheus patient was just stupid.

At least David did have a huge obsession with Dixie so I can sorta justify him having someone watch over her and getting her body or whatever. I'm of two minds of this story. Rationally I hate it--so non AMC storytelling to me. But I did think *some* of it was written well (David with Angie, sorta trying to redeem David in a way), and I admit I loved some of the returns (who was the extra body?), which were nice for the finale. But...

I wish all the ones who'd been resurrected for the finale had returned instead as apparitions intervening at critical moments in the lives of their loved ones. A little too "Touched by an Angel," perhaps, but certainly more believable than "Valley of the Walking Dead."

Thanks, R, for correcting me! Admittedly, I'd only heard Vanessa had been there the night of Erica's rape. I'm glad to know that, for once, AMC exercised a little restraint.

(By the by, R, glad you're back!)

You're welcome, Khanny Missed flirting with you, boo!

But, no, I've heard the "Vanessa was there" theory being hustled around for years, but that wasn't the case. Vanessa made some comment to Erica about "Richard never wanted me. He'd rather have some little girl in a party dress!" Erica was suspicious that Vanessa knew about the party dress and assumed she was there or that Fields had told her about what happened, but Vanessa told her that she gained that information from the transcripts. At least, that's how I remember it, because I definitely would've taken issue with Richard Fields, Eric AND Vanessa all being in on knowing this little girl was raped. Believe me, I would've used that to further stone McTavish and Culliton (whose head writing stint I hated).

Isn't it fabulous that the baddest bitches in SON history both returned in the same week?

You left, too? Tragic! Well, welcome back, schnookums!

At least, that's how I remember it, because I definitely would've taken issue with Richard Fields, Eric AND Vanessa all being in on knowing this little girl was raped.

As would I.

Imagine, though, if the "Vanessa was there" theory had been true. How many more people would have claimed to have been there had the show kept revisiting that story? Perhaps Goldie was there, too, brainwashing reading a bedtime story to little Silver while Erica was downstairs screaming and begging for her life? Or maybe Lars and Kent Bogard stopped by the house, saw Richard Fields going down on poor Erica, and began hatching their sinister plan ("If she's so good that even ol' Richie Fields can't resist, then you KNOW we gots to tap that ass!")?

Pretty soon, it's less like ALL MY CHILDREN and more like "The Accused," with everyone from La Kane's past standing and watching and cheering them on.

Edited January 6, 201312 yr by Khan

Obviously the "Jill is Kay's daughter" thing on Y&R was a huge mistake. And they let it go on way too long. They even seemed to realize they had messed up but didn't want to embarrass themselves by re-writing their re-write, but it was the type of band-aid that needed to be ripped off and never mentioned again (Principal Tanzarian.)

I liked Kay and Jill's maternal bond just fine. It was a story I had always thought would happen eventually.

The Jill/Lauren rewrite on the other hand was atrocious. The idea was terrible and the execution was even worse.

You're welcome, Khanny Missed flirting with you, boo!

But, no, I've heard the "Vanessa was there" theory being hustled around for years, but that wasn't the case. Vanessa made some comment to Erica about "Richard never wanted me. He'd rather have some little girl in a party dress!" Erica was suspicious that Vanessa knew about the party dress and assumed she was there or that Fields had told her about what happened, but Vanessa told her that she gained that information from the transcripts. At least, that's how I remember it, because I definitely would've taken issue with Richard Fields, Eric AND Vanessa all being in on knowing this little girl was raped. Believe me, I would've used that to further stone McTavish and Culliton (whose head writing stint I hated).

See, I thought she followed Fields that night and saw him go into Eric's house because she told Erica that he wanted the little girl in the pink party dress or something along those lines, and Erica was stunned because the only way Vanessa could have known what she was wearing was if she'd seen her that night, and she realized that Vanessa saw Richard attack her but chose not to intervene or help her in any way because she was jealous that Richard preferred pre-teen girls to her.

I liked Kay and Jill's maternal bond just fine. It was a story I had always thought would happen eventually.

The Jill/Lauren rewrite on the other hand was atrocious. The idea was terrible and the execution was even worse.

Agreed. I liked Jill and Kay as mother/daughter. CANT stand the Jill/Lauren as sisters rewrite.

Isn't it fabulous that the baddest bitches in SON history both returned in the same week?

I don't see Sylph. Oh wait you said baddest bitches not c$#tiest c%@ts.

Edited January 6, 201312 yr by juppiter

See, I thought she followed Fields that night and saw him go into Eric's house because she told Erica that he wanted the little girl in the pink party dress or something along those lines, and Erica was stunned because the only way Vanessa could have known what she was wearing was if she'd seen her that night, and she realized that Vanessa saw Richard attack her but chose not to intervene or help her in any way because she was jealous that Richard preferred pre-teen girls to her.

This must have occurred before Olga came back and said she, Jason Maxwell and Margo Flax were all there too and had witnessed Dr. Greg Madden lurking in the bushes outside Eric's house.