Are we sure Tomas/Lorenzo isnt Danny Roberts from The City/Loving?

I get the idea that he was trying to teach some type of lesson with the Tarty story. Viewers were repulsed, so he's been trying to teach the lesson ever since, with increasingly pointless characters. When this is finally over, we'll probably get a story about how Britt was raped and loved every minute of it.

I dont get the comparison to Tarty. Kate hasnt been kidnapped, raped and fallen for her attacker. I dont think there is any lesson being "taught" here other than him simply trying to create entertainment. Its really not that deep

On paper, the entire exchange was ridiculous, but LW and RC salvaged it. They made the scenes so much fun to watch.

To say that Carly should have been kind or whatever implies that Skye is in some sort of impaired state due to the death of her perceived grandfather. That is not the case. She's chilling with her iPad looking for her next score.

So I have to go back to my statement earlier - under FRon, GH is a convoluted plot pointed disaster! Skye and her iPad not being broken only to conveniently get to the page of Blair and Tomas was ridiculous? Oh, and since when is that chit news worthy?

She was chilling with her iPad, talking about going to visit her elderly uncle. That seems fitting that she'd be taking the time to reconnect with family after Edward just died and she hadnt seen him in a year.

I dont think the iPad getting on the page of Blair and Tomas was ridiculous. She told Sean that she was checking up on Llanview, bc she once lived there. The page was loading up when Carly interrupted her. The two of them marrying isnt national news worthy but Skye was reading The Banner, Llanview newspaper and it was listed under the Local news section. I didnt think it was odd for them to be featured. Blair is close with the editor

Edited November 28, 201213 yr by Cheap21

I dont get the comparison to Tarty. Kate hasnt been kidnapped, raped and fallen for her attacker.

The idea is basically that a woman's rape is not about her, but about the pain the man feels and/or his redemption, as Todd and Ford were redeemed, and Joe Jr was on a fast track to being redeemed before the story was scuttled. It's also about a woman being too silly and irrelevant to be written as sympathetic in her assault, as Marty was when she suddenly started dressing like Leather Tuscadero and getting punched out by Tea, as Tess was, as Connie is. The more irrelevant the woman's role in the story is, the more the show can push the idea that there's something silly, or crazy, or hot, or life-affirming, about a rape.

I'm just glad that Joe Jr is gone and his 50 year old son may be leaving, so that this trash is winding down.

Edited November 28, 201213 yr by CarlD2

Danny Roberts from Loving, that must mean that Carly is Ally Rescott, and Todd is really Kent.

Are we sure Tomas/Lorenzo isnt Danny Roberts from The City/Loving?

He probably is. You know how CIA agents are.

The idea is basically that a woman's rape is not about her, but about the pain the man feels and/or his redemption, as Todd and Ford were redeemed, and Joe Jr was on a fast track to being redeemed before the story was scuttled. It's also about a woman being too silly and irrelevant to be written as sympathetic in her assault, as Marty was when she suddenly started dressing like Leather Tuscadero and getting punched out by Tea, as Tess was, as Connie is.

It's interesting how everyone can have such different views about the same thing because I haven't felt that the rape was about a "woman being too silly and irrelevant to be written as sympathetic". This entire storyline is about how a rape affected Kate so deeply that she created an alter. That's not silly or sexy. Yes, sometimes Connie is played for laughs, but there are also moments that indicate the lasting effects that the rape has had on everyone involved...not just the hardship it puts on the men.

Danny Roberts from Loving, that must mean that Carly is Ally Rescott, and Todd is really Kent.

See what I mean? Once you open that door.....

Who knows? Maybe Ron will suggest Tomas was Luis and Lorenzo, and that "Luis" came back from the dead as his own not-twin brother.

Loved the Carly/Skye scenes, I was totally Team Skye!

AJ and Michael .... I hope Michael starts to see Sonny as the psycho egomaniac that he is.

I really don't think Tomas will be Lorenzo....

And so glad Ellie knows the truth. I did NOT want them to drag that out any longer than it needed to be.

Danny Roberts from Loving, that must mean that Carly is Ally Rescott, and Todd is really Kent.

Olivia is really Joselyn

It's interesting how everyone can have such different views about the same thing because I haven't felt that the rape was about a "woman being too silly and irrelevant to be written as sympathetic". This entire storyline is about how a rape affected Kate so deeply that she created an alter. That's not silly or sexy. Yes, sometimes Connie is played for laughs, but there are also moments that indicate the lasting effects that the rape has had on everyone involved...not just the hardship it puts on the men.

An alter who has been treated as a joke from the start. Who then had another "hot" rape scene with Johnny, and is now married to him and desires him.

We heard Joe Jr say more than once that he hadn't raped Connie, and that created enough doubt to where many fans believed and still believe him. So if that was the show's message, they got it across.

See what I mean? Once you open that door.....

Who knows? Maybe Ron will suggest Tomas was Luis and Lorenzo, and that "Luis" came back from the dead as his own not-twin brother.

I wish they could find a way to bring Paul Anthony Stewart in.

(not as a mobster)

An alter who has been treated as a joke from the start. Who then had another "hot" rape scene with Johnny, and is now married to him and desires him.

We heard Joe Jr say more than once that he hadn't raped Connie, and that created enough doubt to where many fans believed and still believe him. So if that was the show's message, they got it across.

So Joe Jr. saying that he hadn't raped Connie made the story a joke? I'm sure that many rapists would deny what they had done...especially if they were ashamed.

Yes. The only problem is why does Tea think that's her brother?

I swear I remember something about Tea hadn't seen him in years, and by years since she was really, really young

I say Toe-mas is Lorenzo brainwashed by Irene/Allison

Per your opinion.

Ron's done a better job at mining the rich history of this soap than the rancid corpse that it was prior to his arrival.

Exactly!

Edited November 29, 201213 yr by dragonflies

Is there anyplace I can just check out the clips of Skye? I love RC but I'm simply not willing to watch whole episodes of Ron's writing.

Isn't Bernard in contract negotiations right now? I swear that I read that somewhere.

M, go to YT and type in

"Carly Scenes on 11/28/12"

So Joe Jr. saying that he hadn't raped Connie made the story a joke? I'm sure that many rapists would deny what they had done...especially if they were ashamed.

Connie's behavior made the story a joke. People were laughing and laughing at her throughout, even when she was acting out her own rape.

Joe Jr's behavior made many people immediately believe him, and root for him to be happy, even as the most support Connie's had is people wanting to do her roots.

I guess this will go off topic if we keep on, so I'll just say you won, and I'll stop.

I really don't think Tomas will be Lorenzo.

Of course not. He'll be this guy on the left:

And all this who-is-he business will turn out to be the work of these three:

Who, it turns out, are the daughters of this woman:

...with these men:

See there, Ronnie C.? You ain't the ONLY one who can do bad fanfic.

Edited November 29, 201213 yr by Khan

Connie's behavior made the story a joke. People were laughing and laughing at her throughout, even when she was acting out her own rape.

Joe Jr's behavior made many people immediately believe him, and root for him to be happy, even as the most support Connie's had is people wanting to do her roots.

I guess this will go off topic if we keep on, so I'll just say you won, and I'll stop.

The biggest problem with this Connie garbage is that there really is no basis for anything as the story has changed so many times to fit whatever FRon are "writing" at any given time. Kate had gone from being a virgin to sexing up Sonny is a meat truck to not leaving him behind to attend Harvard(?) to being raped and carrying a child that no one knew about. We just don't know what happened in the past, and the really tragic part you ask? Who in the sam hell gives 2 chits?! FRon came in and took a successful business woman to the bowels of hell, basically. They saw that she had two names an began salivating. Then they say the story was in the works when they got here so the audience can't accuse them of repeating the Tessica fiasco. So we are to believe this is what Guza had in mind all along and Wolf was just getting around to it, and as a coincidence, the Repetition Queens just happen to inherit the "meat" of the story? Whatthefuckever!

Edited November 29, 201213 yr by ChitHappens