Guza liked Sonny, Jason and Carly and that's it. Every other character was expendable and I have no doubt Guza took great joy in spitting on Gloria Monty's legacy.

Look no further than the complete demolishing of the Spencer family as proof of this. After all, he:

1. Transformed Luke from a loving husband and dedicated father that I knew into a drunk grandkid-killing and hooker-partaking louse with zero respect for anything or anybody - including himself*

2. Turned Laura from a strong and clear-minded woman who didn't take any sh!t from anyone to a weaking who turned the other cheek when her true love cheated on her with his BFF's woman.

3. Turned Lucky from a soulful and intelligent young man to a brainless dolt and then to a spineless punk who no one had any respect for.

4. SORASed Lulu into an obnoxious twat (in other words, Slagbeast, Jr.) - the complete opposite of what L&L's daughter should've been.

5. Created some greasy-ass bootleg Jack Sparrow character as a result of Luke hooking up with his BFF's woman and called him Luke's son while expecting us to accept him as the son that Luke deserved instead of that hapless Lucky.

*yes, I'm well aware that TG played a part in that crap, but Guza still came up with that crap and made it happen on my screen

I still can't believe the blood feud that has sprung up from "Cartini vs. Guza." It's like trying to argue whether Mussolini or Hitler was more evil. Evil is evil, folks.

Say what you will about this latest Hatfields vs. McCoys feud of SON, but at least the pro-Cartini folks never felt compelled to create a GH Alternative thread.

After Guza & JFP were gone, it was a wonder there were any veterans left standing. The entire veteran population became decimated at their hands.

See, with me, it's not that simple: Guza's GH was bad, and so is Cartini's. One was (or isn't) worse than the other; they're both just, well, awful. Does that make any sense?

+1

Both awful in different ways but still awful

I think we need to get back on topic!!

You do know this is SON, right? We always stray off-topic eventually.

What does all this GH talk have to do with best and worst funerals?

You know Viki Lord had nice funerals for two of her husbands (and none came back from the dead...she visited them a couple of times though LOL). Joe Riley's funeral was pretty sad. pregnant Viki wearing the black head cloth thing of the 70's and deciding not to tell Kevin just yet because he was too young and Tina by her side. I wasn't a big fan of Sadie Gray singing so i thought Viki could have done better there. but everything else was real nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkEcVahFmQM&feature=relmfu

and the funeral for Sloan was pretty nice too. a full military funeral for the general. maybe they went to Arlington to film it too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7-DiWvz6zw

Unfortunitly for Ben, they had been talking about his death for so long that by the time he actually died, they just had a candalight service for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvPL3qcr3VY

Edited September 21, 201213 yr by BKuzak

You do know this is SON, right? We always stray off-topic eventually.

I know and that's why I like it here ! I was partly kidding!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrE746OEsMA

I love how background music randomly appears when Sheila starts singing .

I've liked most of AMC's. Even near the end, it was nice that we got some sort of tribute to characters like Myrtle and Palmer.

As to this thread now becoming a Guza vs RonCar thread--as much as I dislike a lot of both people's work (I didn't mind Loving when Guza co-headwrote with Millee Taggert), I don't think any of them have set out to destroy the shows. I never buy into it that any writer wants to destroy a show (OK, some of what's been said about Pratt when he was at AMC may be an exception, but...)

I love how background music randomly appears when Sheila starts singing .

That was one of my least favorite funeral scenes. Clint Ritchie & Erika Slezak cannot believe what is going on, and while Phil Carey starts of enthusiastically, by the end he's realizing how stupid it is.

All these years later, I still cannot fathom why OLTL would believe it appropriate for Sheila to sing Motown at Megan's funeral.

It felt more like Gottlieb and Malone's agenda of "we're going to do sh!t that soaps would never do and you're going to love us for it and think we're so avant garde!"

All these years later, I still cannot fathom why OLTL would believe it appropriate for Sheila to sing Motown at Megan's funeral.

I like the idea - Megan was a free spirit and wanted people to have fun. I just didn't think it was executed very well, chiefly because the ONLY person in Megan's life who would have gotten into any of that was Tina.

It felt more like Gottlieb and Malone's agenda of "we're going to do sh!t that soaps would never do and you're going to love us for it and think we're so avant garde!"

Then, they should given us a full-out, Black Baptist funeral, complete with large choirs and "Negro spirituals." That's avant-garde enough for soaps without turning it into "KIDS Incorporated."

Edited September 21, 201213 yr by Khan