We all here on the baord praise soap past greats such as Doug Marland, Harding Lemay, Henry Sleasar, Bill Bell, Agens nixion etc. Did these great ever writers write any story flops? If so which stories were they?

can somebody please explain these two irna stories to me? ive always heard of them but just never understood them. the falling 'UP' the stairs killing and lisa's phantom pregnancy! details?

saynotoursoap gave a detailed explanation of the stairs here:

thanks carl!! somewhere in my warped mind i always pictured it she fell and rolled up the stairs lol im a retard! the story dosent seem as absurd as some people make it out to be. i trip walking up my stairs all the time! but at the same time i wasnt there to see it so who knows.

I think it's just an easy catchphrase to remember, like Bobby Martin in the attic. I'm sure it wasn't as ridiculous as the stereotype would say.

I never understood why TPTB decided to put Shannon in all the heavy drama or gothic stuff. Margaret Reed was wonderful at comedy, and excelled in her pairings with Harriet Corbman, John Dixon, Duncan McKechnie (the early years). Her feud with Barbara was must-see-TV for me. Why they stuck her with drpressing s/ls like her miscarriage, the Gothic ghosts, Devere, etc is beyond me.

I have to agree with the "Snyders Of The 90s" comments. Marland perfectly built up the Real Snyders in the 80s, and the replacements of the 90s were just pale comparisons. How anyone kept a straight face when saying "Hutch Hutchinson" is beyond me.

I actually liked many parts of the Carolyn Crawford story: the baby surrogate, the ski-lift thriller, etc. It just went on WAY too long, and produced a "killer" who never even had one scene with the victim.

If I started in on Michael Malone, we'd be here all [!@#$%^&*] month.

I'd still love to hear it.

I have to agree with the "Snyders Of The 90s" comments. Marland perfectly built up the Real Snyders in the 80s, and the replacements of the 90s were just pale comparisons. How anyone kept a straight face when saying "Hutch Hutchinson" is beyond me.

If they were going to keep a focus on the farm, they either needed to bring in some Snyder relatives, or do something totally different like have some of the kids from the Earl Mitchell Center come and enjoy the farm and decide to get involved. Lauryn Hill baling hay and going in the pond would have been more interesting than Rosanna and Debbie simpering non-stop.

If I started in on Michael Malone, we'd be here all [!@#$%^&*] month.

Fortunately, the semester's over for me, so....

I'm way too tired to go there right now; I spent most of the day apartment hunting and got lost in some underground dungeon in the Village in the process. Suffice to say you can all start with Mitch Laurence's 2003 return and the saga of the mystical Bahdra diamond.

I'm way too tired to go there right now; I spent most of the day apartment hunting and got lost in some underground dungeon in the Village in the process.

I think I know which apartment you're talking about!

When I think of a bad Michael Malone story, I inevitably think of how killed off Gabrielle. I just...I can't even. Bringing Victor Lord to life again is up there too, of course, but Gabrielle and Al's deaths...Frons' interference or not, these are deaths that never needed to happen .

Was Griffith still co-HW with Malone when that first serial killer story--The Music Box Killer--happened (I'm thinking yes though I know he was out by the time of the Killing Club killer, which ironically Higley ended up doing most of, so it had very little connection to the surprisingly strong tie in novel of the same name which Griffith DID help Malone write). But yeah some of that was Frons wanting to get rid of (older) characters--Griffith was one of the few ABC writers who publicly said he left due to Frons' interference, and then of course a not great run for Malone's second got much worse...

I'm way too tired to go there right now; I spent most of the day apartment hunting and got lost in some underground dungeon in the Village in the process. Suffice to say you can all start with Mitch Laurence's 2003 return and the saga of the mystical Bahdra diamond.

Didn't he do some mystical idol story during his solo stint at AW as well?

Edited December 21, 201113 yr by EricMontreal22

Didn't he do some mystical idol story during his solo stint at AW as well?

I seem to recall a fertility statue whose eyes glowed.

Was that one of his recycled 13 Bourbon St. stories?

Actually even though 13 Bourbon St (man I wish that pilot that Logan used to brag about hits brilliance would leak) was the source of that story, even though Bourbon St was apparently as much Griffith and Gottlieb'[s creation as Malone's. At any rate of course it was meant to be a dark, adult, supernatural soap (as opposed to the Passions style of supernatural soap ) where it could have worked, depending on execution...