Oh my god Cheap, LOL!

LOVING OLTL this week. The montage for Viki and Dorian I thought was flawless. Perfect scenes and I loved the song that they played with all of the old flashbacks.

I am also so intrigued by this Gigi storyline. I really want to know what's going on!

I fail to see what is so great about this show in its current state. (While the two Todds storyline was intriguing at times, it is about to end.) Here are some of the horrendous aspects of modern OLTL:

*Rex "having a hunch" that Gigi is alive and going on a wild goose chase (including exhuming her body)

*Clint being chased by that skank (whose name I don't know)

*The "actress" who plays Destiny

*The stupid Dr. Suess dialogue that RH's Todd used ("My name is Todd. I have a daughter named Starr.")

*Irene's unbelieveable story of having implanted all of Todd's memories into Victor (and then altering his face)

I always thought that OLTL was a show based in reality, yet somehow the "great" RC & FV have been giving us a show full of sci-fi garbage. OLTL is not a "gem of a show" that is worth saving. By contrast, even AMC only has one "far-out" storyline going on right now: Project Orpheus (spelling?). And, despite all of the criticism, Y&R is far more grounded in reality (under the hated MAB) than OLTL currently is.

Oh well. Other people are enjoying it and the Two Todds stuff is the only "far out" story on OLTL so what's your point?

What is so unrealistic about Rex seeing Gigi? People could hallucinate seeing their loved ones in real life.

Max, no matter how much you post, no one is going to say OLTL should not be saved. It is saved.

I wish the P&G soaps had lived. I do. They were wonderful. But they didn't, thanks to Procter & Gamble, and that is not AMC or OLTL's faults.

Both shows have grievous flaws today, but do some things right and have a lot to build on for a future away from Brian Frons or ABC Daytime's typical bullshit. I wish ATWT or GL - especially GL - had been given the same chance. But I'm not going to apologize for my show getting one or pretend I don't think it should. That would be a lie.

With all due respect, can we please knock off the screencaps of the "Cryptkeeper"? No, I'm not defending FF/Gigi. (She should be so lucky.) But there's a reason why I never watched that show, and it has to do with images like that always creeping me out.

Thanks.

Edited August 28, 201114 yr by Khan

....and that was the late 70's early 80's. I don't know what show some people have watching.

Kipling went all Sci Fi around 83 I believe--it was partly a reaction to sci fi GH--and then the show had a fair amount in that direction throughout Rauch's 80s era--but Malone (mainly) brought that back down. So I think OLTL has kinda gone back and forth.

Exactly I see OLTL as back and forth when it comes to style and has less of a defined one as other shows. Sometimes the show was more issues oriented and other times it has been more campy or even sci-fi based. It all comes down to preference and part of it may be based on when someone started to watch the show which style is more OLTL to them.

For me at times I don't find OLTL as relatable because of its camp elements moreso than the sci-fi ones. Some stories I am not sure if I am supposed to find funny and don't or if I am just taking the material wrong. This week when Dorian finally went off on David being in prison in Morocco and how he could have died I was like what, because until that point the entire thing was played off as comedy.

For me at times I don't find OLTL as relatable because of its camp elements moreso than the sci-fi ones. Some stories I am not sure if I am supposed to find funny and don't or if I am just taking the material wrong. This week when Dorian finally went off on David being in prison in Morocco and how he could have died I was like what, because until that point the entire thing was played off as comedy.

I think that's down to RC having little to no ability with tone. I always cringe when I think of the Tess 2008 fiasco, which was played for laughs, until she had a stillbirth, which was suddenly supposed to be deadly serious.

I was amazed they finally had someone say that what happened to David was serious. I was very glad to hear it.

I think that's down to RC having little to no ability with tone.

Actually, I think RC has a tone, but it's generally not a tone that plays well outside certain factions within the LGBT community. It's when he has to write something with real gravity that he falters most.

Edited August 28, 201114 yr by Khan

Actually, I think RC has a tone, but it's generally not a tone that plays well outside certain factions within the LGBT community. It's when he has to write something with real gravity that he falters most.

I feel like, if he HAD to write serious material, he would do a good job. It's the comedy and forced camp that he clings to which is his biggest failing, IMO. I still remember this chilling moment the Christmas after Jared was killed, where Natalie was reading a poem which had a line, "I am not dead." It really got to me.

Yes Tess's behavior until the stillbirth was comedic. We were supposed to find it funny how she held Natalie hostage and all of that. When they had Dorian talk about it being serious that way, I thought this should have been part of the speech Dorian gave when not getting help for Clint and the tape about Echo was just an excuse.

Khan can you explain that tone or give me some examples of it outside of OLTL as a reference?

I can see sadness in happy situations at times, and I can appreciate dark comedy. I sometimes think OLTL isn't relatable to me because of tone, but wonder if it is because I take things too seriously.

Edited August 28, 201114 yr by ~bl~

So I've been a bit behind, but I have to say damn...Dorian/Viki montage really got to me. I cried like a baby.

Yes Tess's behavior until the stillbirth was comedic. We were supposed to find it funny how she held Natalie hostage and all of that.

IDA. Tess wasnt written as a comedic character. She was written as a sociopath. The comedic Tess for laughs came with this year's version

IDA. Tess wasnt written as a comedic character. She was written as a sociopath. The comedic Tess for laughs came with this year's version

I thought most of her scenes were played as hahatime. "Cute" moments like her licking the glass of Natalie's cell, the crap with Todd during his rape-is-love saga, all the smirking and grinning. Maybe that's down to Bree being such a bad actress.

Max, no matter how much you post, no one is going to say OLTL should not be saved. It is saved.

I wish the P&G soaps had lived. I do. They were wonderful. But they didn't, thanks to Procter & Gamble, and that is not AMC or OLTL's faults.

Both shows have grievous flaws today, but do some things right and have a lot to build on for a future away from Brian Frons or ABC Daytime's typical bullshit. I wish ATWT or GL - especially GL - had been given the same chance. But I'm not going to apologize for my show getting one or pretend I don't think it should. That would be a lie.

Vee, you have nothing to apologize for, as you are one of the kindest people here at SON. In my case, I was just expressing my own views that OLTL (in its current state) was not a show worth saving (despite the fact that it was saved). And you are most certainly entitled to enjoy your soap; the criticisms I listed about OLTL were meant to serve as a counterpoint to those people (and you are not among them) who have been endlessly and relentlessly pimping OLTL as some sort of creative masterpiece.