About DVD stuff. Music rights are also a factor. It is NOT cheap to get music rights and for that many episodes? I suppose if the people who wrote the music had something in their contract specifying their music can be used ad infinitum that could work..

Other than a few montages and scenes in a bar or club there may not be that much to take out/change. I guess they have the "themes" for various couples, but that could be worked around.

Especially since this is becoming like a bad fanfic... Susan Lucci preening in a mirror, rubbing her thighs, tossing her hair as she demands more money for less work. With the eeeeeevil ABC strong arming Prospect Park into doing their bidding as vengeance on Susan Lucci for speaking out about Frons... With frail little Aggie Nixon, with her independently fluttering eyelids, coming in and kicking major ass in defense of her Susie.

It's not really bad fanfic until they have a male pregnancy (Frons?) or a Mary Sue (is that Agnes?).

As I've pointed out many times before, it appeared that so many initially had pie-in-the-sky fantasies of how good AMC and OLTL were going to be with PP. However, given all the legitmate doubts that I have read, this is certainly no longer the case. I want to commend so many people for this change in attitude.

To be fair, people were excited for different reasons. I was thrilled because I was hoping we'd get something new and fresh. Others were happy because they thought this meant that the shows would be exactly the same. As the few details/rumors have emerged we're seeing that neither case is true. If and when these shows air, I might still get something fresh and new but that obviously isn't PP's goal. The people who want to everything to be the same aren't going to get that either. AMC's cast will be very different and OLTL is going to have a new creative team.

That's assuming either of these shows see the light of day.

Seriously, though... why are people giving themselves pats on the back for being optimistic, pessimistic, realistic -- WITHOUT A DAMN PIECE OF TANGIBLE INFORMATION?! Then, not only that, but pouncing on the hearsay crumbs that do get tossed out there and grinding them into dust with biased speculation. It really does seem as if things are being built up to such a frickin' crescendo, that anything that does come out of this Prospect Park deal won't live up to the hype. Especially since this is becoming like a bad fanfic... Susan Lucci preening in a mirror, rubbing her thighs, tossing her hair as she demands more money for less work. With the eeeeeevil ABC strong arming Prospect Park into doing their bidding as vengeance on Susan Lucci for speaking out about Frons... With frail little Aggie Nixon, with her independently fluttering eyelids, coming in and kicking major ass in defense of her Susie.

:wub:

All of yall need to join us at the Wait and See table.

All of yall need to join us at the Wait and See table.

Really though, what's the big deal? This is nothing but the soap version of fantasy football. Conjecture and speculation come with the territory.

*tears* BUT IT'S TEARING. THIS FAMILY. APARRRRRRT.

No, really. Yall have at it with the conjecture and speculation! I don't want to come across as that poster who tells others how/what to post. It's just that, when things get a little heated, I think it's good to be reminded that we don't really know a whole lot, so before anyone cuts anyone, let's just cool off and wait for the next droplet of information.

lol are things heated in here? I haven't noticed it just seems like a lot of speculation and some overreaction to some rumors thats all. Typical stuff isn't it? In fact this site barring a few exceptions seems to be more evenly balanced than some others and you can actually speculate and debate for the most part without being accused of being a hater or fangurl.

Edited September 10, 201114 yr by JaneAusten

Cady McClain blogs about "The Death of Daytime?"

http://www.cadymccla...of_Daytime.html

Edited September 10, 201114 yr by dragonflies

Cady McClain blogs about "The Death of Daytime?"

http://www.cadymccla...of_Daytime.html

Interesting read. I agree with her take on things.

Shorter scenes are supposed to keep the audience watching longer. Pop is celebrated over substance. Writing that may have started off as a wonderful idea in the breakdown room, ends up confused and sloppy in a shooting script because one person has lost the will to care.

Rebecca Taylor .....

Looking at that picture of James Mitchell, I wonder if anyone is ever going to bother informing Dixie that Palmer died...

As I've pointed out many times before, it appeared that so many initially had pie-in-the-sky fantasies of how good AMC and OLTL were going to be with PP. However, given all the legitmate doubts that I have read, this is certainly no longer the case. I want to commend so many people for this change in attitude.

Even though I am bitter about the P&G soaps not being saved, that was not the reason why I initially came down so hard on those who thought that this PP deal was the greatest thing since sliced bread. (Whether or not you believe me regarding this is up to you.) Instead, I acted the way I did because I wanted to be helpful: nothing is worse than false hope, and I would hate to see the Nixon soap fans get emotionally crushed again after the online runs of these shows (likely) do not resemble what you folks are hoping for. (As somebody who has been crushed many times by false hope in the past, I hate it with a passion.)

Max, I'm not sure what you want from people here and I do think you mean well but to me this is both melodramatic and condescending. We don't have any new indicators of the quality of these new shows, and I remain as interested as I ever was. Of course everyone has doubts and concerns and theories, but I am not seeing any widespread "change in attitude" or "false hopes" or "disappointment" or anything of the sort.

We know very, very little about how these shows are going to work, what's going into them and how they will turn out. I would welcome a very new and different AMC and OLTL that still retain some of their core identifying traits. We'll all form our opinions when we see the shows for ourselves. You seem to want us to do exactly the opposite, and declare them doomed or ourselves disappointed and up-optimistic. And nothing personal, but given the consistent tenor of your posts that seems to have more to do with you and your needs from the fans in this situation than with us, our needs, or the future of these two soaps.

Edited September 11, 201114 yr by Vee

*tears* BUT IT'S TEARING. THIS FAMILY. APARRRRRRT.

No, really. Yall have at it with the conjecture and speculation! I don't want to come across as that poster who tells others how/what to post. It's just that, when things get a little heated, I think it's good to be reminded that we don't really know a whole lot, so before anyone cuts anyone, let's just cool off and wait for the next droplet of information.

+1

Speculation and over-analyzing is what hard-core message board fans do. It doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things, but it's fun to do as long as you don't get all personal..

Max, I'm not sure what you want from people here and I do think you mean well but to me this is both melodramatic and condescending.

Vee, I apologize for being condescending. (That was not my intention, though I could certainly understand why you could see it that way.) That was very nice for you to say that I was well-meaning (which I am).

I don't really "want" anything from the posters here, but I am just trying to advise them to avoid the dangers of holding onto false hope. That way, if these online soaps turn out to be failures, they will not get emotionally burned again. However, if the PP venture is a success, these ABC soap fans (who were initially pessimistic) will be in for a very pleasant surprise.

I am not really that upset with the minority of fans who have a Pollyannaish view of how things will be. Rather, the people at whom I am really upset are the soap press, given that they are refusing to question the true motives of PP, and instead seem to be promoting the notion that this PP deal will automatically mean great things for AMC and OLTL fans, as well as for the soap genre as a whole. (Of course, I have not read every single article written by the soap press, so there could be a hard-hitting article written about PP of which I am unaware. However, most--if not all--of the articles I have read on this matter have portrayed PP in a very favorable light.) I would caution anyone against believing anything favorable written about PP in the soap press, given that the soap press has a financial stake in the venture being a success (since many soap magazines will likely fold if there are only four daytime soaps left to cover); to me, it's obvious that so few in the soap press have been willing to ask the critical questions about PP (and their real motives in acquiring AMC and OLTL), precisely because their very jobs depend upon this online venture being a smashing success. (By the way, before anybody accuses me of being a disgruntled and bitter P&G soap fan, I should say that I don't believe that the soap press cares about the Nixon soaps anymore than the P&G soaps. The only reason why the soap press did not come to the aid of the P&G soaps in a similar manner was simply because the soap press could still survive when the number of soaps on the air was reduced from eight to six; they cannot, however, survive when the number of soaps drops from six to four.)

Edited September 11, 201114 yr by Max

Cady McClain blogs about "The Death of Daytime?"

http://www.cadymccla...of_Daytime.html

I am stunned and I don't know why at such a well thought out and articulate post from her. I enjoyed reading it and her insight into some of the issues.

Just read the Susan Lucci interview in People Magazine titled "Life After Erica Kane." Nothing new in the article we already don't know. La Lucci says she is unsure whether she will participate in the PP production. She's doing some gigs with Regis which was previously reported I believe in TV Guide. Helmut says he would like to see her tackle a sitcom.

This article is in Sept 19 issue of People with Kate Gosselin and her kids on the cover.

Edited September 11, 201114 yr by Jonathan