54 minutes ago, FrenchBug82 said:

I continue to say that while I understand why everyone was happy the shows were going to live in some form, AMC in particular and OLTL would have been better off being done on network TV so that they could give it a proper ending. 
Not only did PP not work out but creatively, the things they prevented the shows to do as they went off the air and some of the creative choices about what happened to certain characters that weren't going to appear were bad and upsetting and I'd rather they never had happened.

ABC could have given the shows happy endings then when PP happened both shows could have moved 5 years and had so much unwritten history to play with

@LeClerc Wow! I believe this to be true. It lines up with what Cameron said in his interview, without really saying it. Smh, the backstage politics win again. All those idiots played a part into ruining my show and getting it cancelled! 
 

@FrenchBug82 @John I’m ok with the way AMC ended. It was always the unconventional soap anyway, happy endings are lame and unrealistic imo. 

Edited May 16, 20214 yr by DemetriKane

2 minutes ago, DemetriKane said:

 I’m ok with the way AMC ended. It was always the unconventional soap anyway, happy endings are lame and unrealistic imo. 

I don't think happy endings is what I would have preferred necessarily. 
But there are PLENTY of ways to let the show on a "The Story continues..." note while still providing some closure, some sense of where character is ending up at the time the show ends and some level of satisfaction. It does not have to be a happy ending or even "ending" route. Just a sense of finality for the current chapter of these characters' lives.
I could have even been OK with the JR cliffhanger. It is just that the AMC network finale left a LOT of other threads dangling and didn't really offer much in terms of definitive answer - because they were leaving the door open for PP.
The characters that DID get a satisfying ending - Brooke and Adam come to mind - are characters they knew they wouldn't bring back. Admittedly their was a happy ending but otherwise I didn't leave a sense of where each character story would be going once the show ended, which is not satisfying.

@FrenchBug82 well that’s certainly fair and You’re right, more could have been done for certain characters I.E. Kendall and Tad (career wise). It would have been nice to see someone boarding a train to start their next chapter. Lorraine tied up things nicely with what she had, centerpiece of the grand finale about Erica/Brooke/JR were all genius to me. 

22 hours ago, LeClerc said:

Esta was let go because either Angela Shapiro or Felicia Behr didn't like her. Not sure which -- the reporting at the time was just that an ABC Daytime exec didn't like her. And TPTB were hoping that killing Gillian would help convince Cameron, who was complaining a lot at the time about his lack of airtime and making noise about leaving, to re-sign. He only extended for six months. 

 

This lines up with an old interview I read with Cameron. He said after the Ryan/Hayley storyline was aborted, he never got the same amount of airtime again during his first run on the show. I do remember one of the magazines at the time said there were rumors someone BTS didn't care for her, but they didn't name names. Jean Passanante seem to brush off in an interview about the idea of reuniting them (Ryan/Gillian) when asked about it around the time of Ryan/Hayley. 

22 hours ago, Vee said:

To this day I don't know WTF happened with Esta and Gillian in the final months of the network show. Her return, like all the others, was heavily hyped and promoted. But in the final air shows, Esta appears for maybe 90 seconds, maybe a little more, maybe a little less and has a max of maybe three to five lines. She appears considerably less than any of the other undead or ghost characters who returned that summer in 2011. It looked to me a lot like they'd cut huge swaths of any material she shot - like Josh Duhamel, where I believe Leo was supposed to actually be alive and reunite with Greenlee in the original plan which supposedly may have actually been filmed, until Prospect Park first stepped in, they thought they were going online right then and didn't want to write permanent happy endings for Greenlee or Ryan with other people to write them out bc they didn't know if Budig and Cameron would sign onto the new show. So then Leo's appearance became a dream and they cut the rest of his material. I've long wondered if that is what happened with Esta/Gillian and Ryan as well.

What I remember reading at the time was that Cameron was the one that proposed they bring back Gillian as a ghost for Ryan like they had brought Leo for Greenlee. Originally they told him no, but decided last minute to add her. Cameron talked about it in a facebook post at the time we were lucky to get her at all.

Edited May 17, 20214 yr by ghfan89

And ironically, they never fully pulled the trigger on Ryan and Hayley who were hot as hell IMO. I was convinced that was down to Mark Consuelos at the time, lol.

I remember reading that AMC's original finale would make everybody cry their eyes out and that it had a "Six Feet Under" vibe. Agnes Nixon had written it herself. Or am I making things up?

6 hours ago, Elsa said:

I remember reading that AMC's original finale would make everybody cry their eyes out and that it had a "Six Feet Under" vibe. Agnes Nixon had written it herself. Or am I making things up?

I believe it was Jill Larson who said the original finale was Six Feet Under-ish and provided a glimpse into the characters' futures. 

 

I wonder if the montage at the beginning of the episode where you see the births of various characters, and then those characters having kids of their own etc, was actually at the end of the original finale, and after showing the past and the present it would have moved into the future. 

21 hours ago, Vee said:

And ironically, they never fully pulled the trigger on Ryan and Hayley who were hot as hell IMO. I was convinced that was down to Mark Consuelos at the time, lol.

Agreed! Another case of TPTB making bad decisions based on who was fooling around behind the scenes. 
 

@Elsa True. And I think they was going to get a prime time finale too! Chrishelle and Ricky were the only ones that got to film their scenes.

Michael B Jordan talked about AMC at about 4:33. He was talking about how he got his work ethic from the show. 

 

 

  

On 5/22/2021 at 9:22 AM, victoria foxton said:

 

  

Great find!!

The host is incredibly irritating, though.

 

Anyway, I thought I’d share these photos from the wedding of Kate Collins & Charles Newell (renowned Chicago theatre director & producer) in October 1992:

 

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5 hours ago, ghfan89 said:

 

 

Who is the guy with Brooke? She is so horny for him, my gosh I'm surprised she didn't open her legs right on the bed.