Members Vizion Posted March 22, 2011 Members Share Posted March 22, 2011 I'm not sure who you're talking to, but nobody's pretending anything. Also, in 2008-2009 Kreizman was co-HW of GL with Jill Lorie Hurst, the duties were his solely from 2004 - the beginning of 2008. Frankly I'd take much (not all though) of 2004-2007 GL over the stories currently being offered on daytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LoyaltoAMC Posted March 22, 2011 Members Share Posted March 22, 2011 Pratt's AMC reminds me of current-day OLTL. Just one colorful shock after another without little substance. I barely watched during his tenure. It just didn't seem like AMC. Despite the show's many current flaws, D&D's writing does seem more AMC-ish. For all the good that does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Saving ATWT Posted March 22, 2011 Members Share Posted March 22, 2011 I've been saying, forever, that OLTL was going to benefit from going it alone and basically been mocked. Granted, the show did not get the post-ATWT boost I expected; however, the gain was big enough to save the soap for another year. Clustering three soaps at 1pm is dumb and there is little doubt that GH has been aided by going it alone. NBC sould shift Days to 11am, following Today, to form a block. ABC should focus on 2-4pm thus avoiding the Bell shows. Speaking of which, I really hope the Bell family/Sony are looking at cable options. B&B is so popular internationally and money can be made. Y&R seemed, for a while, to be becoming the anti-soap which could work off CBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted March 22, 2011 Members Share Posted March 22, 2011 I just think Kriezman is a very specific type of writer and his style needs to be very carefully handled. I do think he gave GL several more years and I'm not sure whether he or Wheeler are responsible for the good or the bad, but stuff like Jammy and the Jonathan Screaming Hour and the Sebastian mess and then turning Edmund back into the evilest of evils for the sake of Bradley Cole...it was just too much for me when my interest was already waning anyway. Even then I do see there were some positives. I think a lot of it has to do with the producer and how much they care about the show. I don't believe JHC cares about AMC at all and if she is still going overbduget then apparently no one above her cares either. In some ways I think that Kriezman would have been better off going nuts, as many expected him to, when he got to AMC. If Pratt hadn't done the same thing I wonder if it might have happened. Obviously any fan criticisms did not get rid of Pratt, so whatever did must have made them put a tight rein in on other headwriters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan Chamberlain Posted March 22, 2011 Members Share Posted March 22, 2011 I really wish the news would just break already. If it's true. Quit hiding it ABC. For realz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted March 22, 2011 Members Share Posted March 22, 2011 David Kreizman, at best, is like every other writer in daytime today - he may have done some good work but he's also done a lot of vapid [!@#$%^&*]. I can condemn as easily as I praise and judging by his average at three shows I choose to condemn. I thought the GL dialogue staff in its last couple years was quite good but they couldn't hide the fact that the stories were often quite literally about nothing, or about incredibly offensive or childishly-written nonsense. There is no excuse for the handling of Josh, Cassie and Reva (potentially a great triangle), Blake, Ross, Alan, Gus, the loathsome Jeffrey character, and any number of other things. It was pointless and it offended me that the dialogue would show a pretense of sophistication when both I and the writers knew the stories were not cutting it and were often only barely told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Saving ATWT Posted March 22, 2011 Members Share Posted March 22, 2011 Kriezman is a very specific type of writer, somewhat dark, and was very young, a product of his generation, when he took over GL. He is also the opposite of your type of soap writer. I think DK is good; however, question if daytime is really the genre he should be working in. I could see him doing a darker prime time cable soap very well. The Mick Dante ATWT story was VERY flawed but you could feel that DK was very excited with the story. A lot of the problems relating to the story had to do with actors (Allison) and low production costs (brainwashing/memory chip). I also ave to wonder if Goutman was involved because it felt Goutman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marceline Posted March 22, 2011 Members Share Posted March 22, 2011 Y'all know I'm the LAST person to defend ABC but this isn't on them. This isn't about anybody "hiding" or playing games. ABC has no obligation to adhere to a promise made by an unnamed source on an entertainment blog somewhere. This news involves people's livelihoods. It's about the cast, crew, lawyers, accountants, shareholders, human resources, business affairs, facilities etc... Let's ratchet down the drama. It's a soap opera, not an AIDS test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vee Posted March 22, 2011 Members Share Posted March 22, 2011 He's not the opposite of a soap writer - he just couldn't hack it. He could not, did not plot or use character coherently on a long-term basis. Dialogue was one thing, an idea is another, execution is something entirely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan Chamberlain Posted March 22, 2011 Members Share Posted March 22, 2011 Well. I know that. But, I just want to know what's going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Vizion Posted March 22, 2011 Members Share Posted March 22, 2011 I get that. I understand why he went with Jammy though I think it was a bad decision and a mistake, the obsession with Bradley Cole from both MADD and EW was absurd (can't really fault DK for that though), and yeah the character of Jonthan ate up entirely too much of the show, but 2004-2007, before the change in the production model and the mass exodus of various actors (RPG, BE, etc.) I felt the show was better than anything we're seeing today. I don't watch AMC so I can't comment on what he's doing there and didn't seen his ATWT tenure either. As far as Sebastian, Kreizman has Guza syndrome in that the premise and ideas sound good, but the execution is sometimes lacking (though that's been happening on GH for the last decade plus). I also agree that it depends on the producer and the writer and how much they care about the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Kylie Posted March 22, 2011 Members Share Posted March 22, 2011 Very true. But by the time it gets to the point of announcing it to the media, you'd think all of this stuff would be taken care of. If it's a done deal like we're all believing, the time is coming...so these ends should be being or all ready wrapped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ~bl~ Posted March 22, 2011 Members Share Posted March 22, 2011 I just want to know, though I can understand if they can't say anything to the press until the people working at AMC are informed. That could be a reason they haven't said anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members marceline Posted March 23, 2011 Members Share Posted March 23, 2011 It's hitting the media now precisely BECAUSE they're in the process of taking care of this stuff. It's showing up on the desks of secretaries, assistants, interns and other people who were previously unaware and those people are starting to talk. It's hitting blogs because Tanya in Information Systems heard from Jerry in Business Affairs that Mohinder in Accounting said that he went to happy hour with Shaquanda in Investor Relations and she said they're wondering how to spin this in the annual report. (She also said that Will in Marketing cries in bed but that's a separate issue.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NYC123 Posted March 23, 2011 Members Share Posted March 23, 2011 Can ABC seriously just say whether or not AMC is gone or not. As a fan I just can't take anymore of this. I have prepared myself to see "All My Children Canceled" and I of course as a fan I will be devastated but life goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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