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21 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Is that Liz Kiefer at around the 27:26 minute mark??

Also, Mark Printer was on Guiding Light? He really traversed the P&G serial universe!

Yes! She played Angela Lawrence, daughter of Lorie's attorney, Robert Lawrence (from her trial of the attempted murder of Vanessa). If you take a look at the 11/29/82 episode in the vault, she's featured in that one and has a meatier role.

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 She was also Traci's friend. The Lawrence family was clearly meant to be a bigger deal than they turned out.

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7 minutes ago, BoldRestless said:

Yes! She played Angela Lawrence, daughter of Lorie's attorney, Robert Lawrence (from her trial of the attempted murder of Vanessa). If you take a look at the 11/29/82 episode in the vault, she's featured in that one and has a meatier role.

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 She was also Traci's friend. The Lawrence family was clearly meant to be a bigger deal than they turned out.

Yes Liz said she signed a multi year contract and was shocked when they dumped the Laurence Family. Meaning Victoria Mallory was also expecting to stay too

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1 hour ago, yrfan1983 said:

Scenes with my favorite Jill and Patty… I’m in heaven

They have such a fun chemistry!

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 DA is really great at playing manipulative, but it's hilarious how Patty sees through her! 

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2 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

They have such a fun chemistry!

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 DA is really great at playing manipulative, but it's hilarious how Patty sees through her! 

Deborah Adair makes her scenes interesting.  She's not as "obvious" and "over the top" as Brenda Dickson, and not as comical as Jess Walton.   She really created a 100% believable Jill, albeit a Jill who was far more down to earth than the other Jills.  

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Nice to see a 1982 episode!  I recall I really hated the story with Claire.  It bored me to tears.  It was funny hearing Jill talk about giving the Abbott house a makeover.  Here we are about 40 years later and still no makeover.  Of course, we've all seen what can happen when TPTB try to makeover an iconic set.  The "upgrades" to the Newman and Chancellor sets were pretty disastrous!!

I just saw the promo for the Edward story climax, and was surprised I could actually see that clip again.  Someone should save that to the vault.  I really enjoyed that story because of how well the Edward actor played the part.  I recall one part of the story being an on-location shoot of Nikki and Edward going on a picnic, but don't recall the particulars.  I also recall his conversations with "mother"...  One of the creepier creeps in the history of Y&R!

I wish more would turn up about Victor's bomb shelter, Kay haunting Suzanne Lynch, Douglas and Derek's duel, among many others.

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13 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

Yes with Deborah you could believe that John Abbott could fall for her. She could play vulnerable, bitchy, needy etc.

 

Deborah, even when she's being bitchy, seems far more *genuine* than Brenda Dickson.  With Brenda (in the 1980s), it was just such a camp festival.  I could buy Brenda Dickson as the heartless vixen who divorced John and took him to the cleaners, just as I bought Deborah as the vulnerable girl who married him and seemed mostly sincere with her intentions.  The actress switch occurred at just the right time for the story to work.    

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I haven't seen alot of Brenda Dickson's 1973-1980 run to judge her acting style, but from what I've seen of her 1983-1987 run, she starting getting OTT in her acting style around 1985. It got worse during 1986 and 1987.

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While the Claire story wasn't working...given that the actress playing her was known for playing ditzy blondes, she did quite well with playing the sadness of Claire.

DA made Jill a classic manipulator with her sweet concerned voice masking her true intentions.  She wasnt as broad as Dickson nor as sarcastic as Jess Walton either.

And I like seeing more of Lilibet's take on Patty play out.  No wonder Bill bell was disappointed when she quit.

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Thank you @YRfan23 as always for sharing!! I am glad this finally made it in full as I remember you talking about the Jill & Liz scenes

 

It’s funny that Liz called out Jill on how she talked down to Mamie as Jill obviously took over the “lady of the manor” act immediately. Yet here I almost could’ve imagined if Adair had stayed her and Ray’s Mamie could’ve easily become unlikely allies down the road against Dina and Katherine. 

Leslie still being on canvas felt so out of place with the rest of the episode. Was Leslie indeed  to kept on longer or was she dropped as soon as the Laurence family story went bust? 

 

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7 hours ago, soapfan770 said:


Leslie still being on canvas felt so out of place with the rest of the episode. Was Leslie indeed  to kept on longer or was she dropped as soon as the Laurence family story went bust? 

 

As we can see from the opening credits of this episode, Bill Bell clearly intended that "The Trials & Tribulations of Leslie & Robert" would be his "A-List storyline" for years and years to come.  Leslie and Robert were given the Pole Position in the opening credits, as the show's most important characters.  

When the Lawrence storyline ended, Leslie was shuffled off the canvas almost immediately.  And it happened over the course of one or two episodes.  She had a scene with Stuart Brooks where she said, "Dad!  Maestro has organized a concert tour for me."  Stuart said, "Why Les, that's just wonderful!"  And Leslie responded, "Yes, it is, Dad.  Oh, and by the way, I'm leaving in five minutes.  Love ya.  See ya later!  Bye."  And she was out the door and gone.

We can discern from this episode that Y&R had changed a lot during 1982.  The show had repositioned itself entirely.  The storylines that appealed to the audience by late 1982 and early 1983 were (1) the goings-on in the Abbott house, (2) the goings-on with Nikki and Her Men, and (3) -- although it isn't featured in this particular episode -- the adventures of young detectives Paul and Andy.   Plus there was just the right amount of "crossover" in these three distinct storylines, with Paul being the brother of Patty Abbott and also regularly involving himself in Victor's activities, Kay Chancellor running Nikki's life and also interfering in the marriage of John & Jill Abbott, Lauren tempting Paul and taunting Traci, Amy Lewis being Traci's friend and Paul's right-hand woman, etc.  ALL of this was set-up extremely well, and it shows why Y&R was winning the 1983 Emmy and moving higher in the ratings.  

The situation with Leslie, Robert, and Claire was just simply superfluous to the "real storylines" of Y&R.  It was disjointed and didn't integrate well within the framework of the show.  Claire's coma seemed hokey and old-fashioned, and this grouping of characters seemed to be "leftovers" from a different time and place.  It just wasn't working.  The Brooks family had outlived their usefulness.   The only thing truly WORKING for the Brooks family was what you see here -- Liz Foster Brooks trying to steer Jill in the right direction (and trying to keep Kay Chancellor sober when Jill started dropping bottles of vodka at Kay's house).  

Even though it clearly wasn't his original plan, Bill Bell did the only thing that could work -- dropped all of the Brooks girls one by one off the canvas and retained Liz, who still served a useful purpose in the storyline.   

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