7 hours ago, Broderick said:

 

Yes sir, my recollection is that Liz is just gonna disappear in a puff of smoke somewhere between late 1984 and early 1985, the way Stuart Brooks had just disappeared into thin air in 1983. 

When Jill gets shot in the spring of 1986, John Abbott will call Liz in London to give her the news, and Bill Bell will make a huge production of ret-conning in the dialogue that Liz had moved to London to be with Snapper and Chris, which everyone on the show seems to accept as a fact, although none of us at home knew what on earth had become of her.     

 

Reminding me the huge ret-conning of Carl Williams going missing for 7 years - and we only find this out on 1998..  

Carl disappeared and had been gone eight years before Paul and Christine convinced Mary to have him declared legally dead.

The Carl/Mary/ruth story was well written and utterly realistic.  You can tell Alden was in charge because St Christine was called to task for not telling Paul what she was doing...even with Nina telling her to be honest.  It was oh so satisfying to have Christine have to admit she was wrong..to Nina (a wonderful scene) and to Paul.

 

It's a shame that was the last story for Mary where she was given material that made her more than an interfering mother or mother in law.  

14 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

 

It's a shame that was the last story for Mary where she was given material that made her more than an interfering mother or mother in law.  

 

I never understood why they opted to write Mary Williams as such a "cartoon meddler" from 1999 onward.  Yes, it was sometimes funny in small doses, but Carolyn Conwell was MORE than capable of playing a fully developed, well-rounded character who tended to be overly zealous about nosing into her children's lives.  The Mary we see in the old clips from the early 1980s was certainly "overly involved" in her children's lives, but she was also a likeable and well developed character.    

11 hours ago, Broderick said:

I'd honestly forgotten that we had the Fake Nikki during the Children's Hospital Benefit scenes with Jack.  But I agree -- that girl Robin did a pretty good as Nikki, which is probably why I'd forgotten that Melody Thomas didn't perform in those scenes.   

 

And for those of y'all keeping track of the Foster house set, it appears once again in one of the August - October 1984 clips, with Liz Foster and Jill having a scene inside it.   There were some (partial) closing credits included with that clip, and Julianna McCarthy (Liz Brooks) had been demoted to a recurring character; her contract days were over.   Jeanne Cooper (Kay) was the "senior" cast member from then till her death.   

Oh do you know which clip number is this ?

8 minutes ago, FrenchFan said:

Oh do you know which clip number is this ?

 

I think it's the final "60" and "61a".  

53 minutes ago, Broderick said:

 

I think it's the final "60" and "61a".  

thanks found it ! So Julianna McCarthy’s last contract airdate was between July and October 1984. She was still listed as recurring in a January 1985 episode. 

8 minutes ago, FrenchFan said:

thanks found it ! So Julianna McCarthy’s last contract airdate was between July and October 1984. She was still listed as recurring in a January 1985 episode. 

 

Yes, it appears that she recurred sporadically (without a contract) from late summer/early autumn of 1984 to early 1985, and then she just vanished without a trace, without a mention, in a puff of smoke.  

We found out in 1986 that she'd been living in London with Snapper and Chris during her "missing period".  

2 minutes ago, Broderick said:

 

Yes, it appears that she recurred sporadically (without a contract) from late summer/early autumn of 1984 to early 1985, and then she just vanished without a trace, without a mention, in a puff of smoke.  

We found out in 1986 that she'd been living in London with Snapper and Chris during her "missing period".  

I love Bill Bell but I can’t understand why he often wrote out characters (specifically important ones such as Stuart or Liz) by dropping them like that. It always made me cringe. 

13 minutes ago, FrenchFan said:

I love Bill Bell but I can’t understand why he often wrote out characters (specifically important ones such as Stuart or Liz) by dropping them like that. It always made me cringe. 

 

One of the STRANGEST aspects of Stuart and Liz's "disappearances" was the uncertainty of what happened with their reconciliation, or lack thereof.  

When Liz reappeared briefly in about 2003 to kick-off the "Jill was adopted" storyline, Julianna McCarthy was listed in the credits once or twice as "Liz Brooks" and once or twice as "Elizabeth Foster', indicating that not even the current head writers (Kay Alden and Jack Smith) remembered what had happened between Stuart and Liz, lol.  

God DAMN was Cash Cashman a beautiful man. Too bad he dies just as the collection of clips begins. Wouldn't mind seeing his routine  

 

Lorie is everything. A goddess. 

3 minutes ago, YRBB said:

God DAMN was Cash Cashman a beautiful man. Too bad he dies just as the collection of clips begins. Wouldn't mind seeing his routine  

 

Lorie is everything. A goddess. 

 

Lorie went out on top.  Too bad she didn't stay longer.

21 hours ago, YRfan23 said:

btw something I've been wondering but is Earl Bancroft gone? I don't think he's been seen since Victoria's baptism. 

Yea he is definitely gone by mid-83 because Mark Tapscott is not in the credits. I don't think Earl gets a goodbye mention in the synopses. The last thing I remember is that Earl moved back from Katherine's into Allison's hotel suite for a month as kind of a "last try" before Allison granted the divorce.

I'm sure there must have been some dialogue at some point about Earl returning to San Francisco.

Bottom line, IMO, Earl was a boring character so he got shipped off.

1 hour ago, trainman said:

 

Lorie went out on top.  Too bad she didn't stay longer.

That's what makes her 2002 return so insulting to the character.

Seeing Ashley in clips pre Victor, I often don't get why Bill bell insisted on ruining and degrading Ashley's character with the Victor pairing?  

 

Nikki being drawn to Victor made sense based on the 2.5 years of story pre dating her meeting Victor....but I just could never buy Ashley being drawn to him.

1 hour ago, yrfan1983 said:

Yea he is definitely gone by mid-83 because Mark Tapscott is not in the credits. I don't think Earl gets a goodbye mention in the synopses. The last thing I remember is that Earl moved back from Katherine's into Allison's hotel suite for a month as kind of a "last try" before Allison granted the divorce.

I'm sure there must have been some dialogue at some point about Earl returning to San Francisco.

Bottom line, IMO, Earl was a boring character so he got shipped off.

I noticed he wasn't in the credits. I guess he and Katherine must have called it quits too offscreen if we are to assume he went back to San Francisco.