7 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

That's interesting. I never knew Shannon was involved in any of that story, although I haven't seen a lot of it. Shannon became much more isolated after she got together with Duncan.

 

It's hard to gauge how much involvement based on You Tube episodes (many of which are still missing) but from what I've seen over the past year and a half, Shannon's involvement was very brief, more as a red herring.

Shannon was actually contacting Lucinda because she wanted to sell back her shares of Walsh Enterprises (that had been gifted by Harriet) so that she could afford to hire a private detective to track down her long-lost husband, (who would turn out to be Duncan McKechnie) so she could get her marriage annulled or get a divorce.  

I suspect Gary Hudson didn't act up to TPTB's expectations, so they canned him.

 

50 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

 

If Rita McLaughlin had wanted to stay on the show I think she easily could have - her hair and makeup and wardrobe here fit the changes of the early '80s beautifully, unlike a lot of ATWT stalwarts who had some very rough patches. 

I think it would have made more sense to of had Dana Delany (Hayley) play the kid sister of Rita McLaughlin (Carol). They looks like they could be real sisters.

19 minutes ago, Khan said:

I suspect Gary Hudson didn't act up to TPTB's expectations, so they canned him.

 

That makes sense (I wish they'd done that with some others who dragged on for years, like that sleazy Brad) although I wish they'd done more with him. Did he ever have any real interaction with James beyond their meeting here? I'm trying to remember if they overlap in 1986. 

 

(whenever I see Gary Hudson I always remember that male stripper movie with Thomas Calabro that is very dear to my heart)

21 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

 

It's hard to gauge how much involvement based on You Tube episodes (many of which are still missing) but from what I've seen over the past year and a half, Shannon's involvement was very brief, more as a red herring.

Shannon was actually contacting Lucinda because she wanted to sell back her shares of Walsh Enterprises (that had been gifted by Harriet) so that she could afford to hire a private detective to track down her long-lost husband, (who would turn out to be Duncan McKechnie) so she could get her marriage annulled or get a divorce.  

 

Thanks. I need to watch more of those as I know a few more have popped up in the last year or two. The quality is so bad sometimes I don't feel like it.

4 minutes ago, SoapDope said:

I think it would have made more sense to of had Dana Delany (Hayley) play the kid sister of Rita McLaughlin (Carol). They looks like they could be real sisters.

 

That's a great idea. Bringing in the niece of a dead end slampiece of James's (or is it James' - I can never remember) was a waste.

26 minutes ago, John said:

Lisa Denton 

surprised they never brought Suzanne Davidson back as Betsy

 

Thanks. I think Lisa Sloan was a Nicole on EON.

 

I wonder whatever happened to Davidson. I know she was very popular with fans.

26 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

Oddly, I think Shannon's brief return in 1994/5 had her interacting with the canvas more than during her last two years or so on ATWT (1988-1990).  She was tied to Duncan still.. but she interacted quite a bit with Lily/Damian, Lucinda, Samantha, even chemistry tested with Royce, and lastly she and Barbara locked heads a bit during the Lisa/John lawsuit (since Barbara sided with Lisa.. while Shannon was more apt to side with John even though she was close to John).

 

You're right, she did. I guess because her big return story was such a flop with viewers, she did start to float around town more. I think the show was right to axe her, looking back, but I do wonder if she could have been freshened up with a new producer as with Duncan gone she was all ready for new stories and relationships, no history to clog her down.

27 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Thanks. I need to watch more of those as I know a few more have popped up in the last year or two. The quality is so bad sometimes I don't feel like it.

 

Someone just uploaded a bunch of Guiding Light episodes on You Tube and looking at the screencaps alone, I marvel at how consistently good the quality of videos uploaded of GL episodes are.  I can't remember seeing any episodes with poor video quality. 

Same for EON videos uploaded to You Tube.

 

Just now, DramatistDreamer said:

 

Someone just uploaded a bunch of Guiding Light episodes on You Tube and looking at the screencaps alone, I marvel at how consistently good the quality of videos uploaded of GL episodes are.  I can't remember seeing any episodes with poor video quality. 

Same for EON videos uploaded to You Tube.

 

There were some very rough GL episodes from the early '80s, but yes otherwise you're right. Maybe GL fans kept their material in better condition, I don't know. (of course a lot of GL is early '90s but some is mid-80s too).

Now that I think about @DRW50I do recall a couple summers ago, watching a string of GL episodes from '84 and there were a few with poor picture.  I guess I have managed to avoid those since then, although tbh, I don't watch classic GL as often as I do classic ATWT.

Edited July 3, 20187 yr by DramatistDreamer

 

 

19 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Several years ago someone uploaded a few ATWT clips and an episode from the early '80s. The videos left Youtube and I haven't seen them since, so I've decided, for anyone here who hasn't seen them or wanted to see them again, to put them up. I'll put the other few up tomorrow. If anyone can help with dating this - thanks.

 

 

Thanks for the clip. I was a little kid at this time and remember bits and pieces. I noticed Sam Behrens as the young husband in the Joy dishwashing detergent commercial at the end. 

That's Teri Keane as the mother in the commercial.   Who is the wife?   She reminds me of Laurie Heinemann.

I'm spending part of my semi-working holiday still hip-deep in 1986. Can anyone explain the whole backstory with Doug Cummings, his dead wife Caroline, Marsha, etc? It'd be much appreciated. Was there something about horses?

10 hours ago, Vee said:

I'm spending part of my semi-working holiday still hip-deep in 1986. Can anyone explain the whole backstory with Doug Cummings, his dead wife Caroline, Marsha, etc? It'd be much appreciated. Was there something about horses?

 

I remember when the story started in late 85 I was not too invested in it. The show had previously done a story where Barbara had a stalker/secret admirer. Now it was Kim's turn. Also Frannie went through boyfriends like water. So Doug Cummings seemed like the new flavor of the month. But Marland did weave a suspenseful yarn. And the actress who played Marsha Talbot was the best thing about this storyline (in my opinion).

Probably an unpopular opinion.. but I was always on Lucinda's side especially when it came to Lily.  I actually wished she'd disowned that brat Lily and let the princess go live at the Snyder Farm and cut her off so she didn't have any money.  And I had wished she had succeeded in getting Holden/Lily to break up even though had she not done anything.. they still would have broken up as we witnessed once the two were adults and Lucinda had learned to accept him.

 

I also was on Lucinda's side with not telling Lily about Holden's amnesia and being in the hospital in New York.. but only because Lily would have found a way to make it all about her (which we saw when she was frustrated that Holden didn't remember her, etc).  I also understood why Lucinda told Sierra about her breast cancer before she told Lily (and Lucinda confirmed it by saying because Sierra wouldn't have made it all about herself).  

 

i watched the pitchfork episode.. and the reason Lily was there was because she was upset about Craig being reported missing/dead.  The way she acted, you would have thought she was the most important person to Craig.. moreso than his girlfriend/wife Sierra, his mother Lyla, or his sister Margo.  Selfish character.  

 

Now I do wonder if you think this was due to how Martha chose to play the character, or if this is how the character was written by Horgan/Marland/Backus/etc?  

2 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

 

Now I do wonder if you think this was due to how Martha chose to play the character, or if this is how the character was written by Horgan/Marland/Backus/etc?  

 

I think its an unfortunate kind of synergy. Marland loved to write her as the wounded bird to be protected at all costs, and Byrne kind of honed in on adding an entitled, self righteousness that grated over time. 

 

After Lily gave Hope up without as much as giving him the opportunity to say goodbye, he should've divorced her ass AND taken the kids. 

The general comment when Byrne played Rose is that she was a lot more like Rose in real life than she was Lily, which is one of the reasons she enjoyed her. 

 

I think that she also wanted some changes when Lily came back in 1993 so Lily would not be such a victim, but I can't remember for sure.