I still am surprised Frons hasn't gotten in on this and gotten Rowell on one of his soaps. I remember a few years back shortly after Rowell was ousted from Y&R that she was apparently being considered for a OLTL role that I guess never materialized. I imagine knowing Frons he has probably tried to get her, but I imagine for Rowell is Drucilla or nothing.

gee, i didn't know peter bergman had that much power on the set. i never thought that PB and MS were innocent victims, though.

As much as I like Michelle Stafford's acting (when she decides she wants to act), for years she has had the execs of that show wrapped around her little finger. What Stafford wants, she gets.

Edited March 13, 201015 yr by Adam

gee, i didn't know peter bergman had that much power on the set. i never thought that PB and MS were innocent victims, though.

hey, i want the best show possible, too. do i care what the cast and crew have to put up with? no, but the reality is that it DOES matter whether i care or not. the reality is that VR is seen as a HUGE problem, and those who continually call for her return seem oblivious to that. sorry, but no one's THAT good that a place of employment has to put up with someone's issues.

if y&r really wanted rowell back, money would NOT be an object. they'd find the money by ditching other characters, and we all have a LIST of characters we'd be willing to wave goodbye to.

i think that politics and power plays occur on EVERY soap, not just on y&r.

And yet PB and EB were in an actual fist fight and the show put up with that. Violence in the work place seems like a bigger problem than being a Diva. I'm hardly oblivious to VR being a Diva, but I've certainly never heard of her putting her hands on anyone or spitting on anyone, so again, if her presence is inconvenient to the clique controlling Y&R, I could give a f*ck. They should be professionals and deal with it.

Edited March 13, 201015 yr by Juliajms

Anyway, somehow I very much doubt that VR was some insane barracuda wreaking havoc wherever she went, while PB and MS were innocent helpless victims.

Vicky's Black so she's supposed to know her place.

Which worked SO well for Debbi, Tamara, both Tonyas, Vanita, Davetta, Tanisha, Ellen, Lillian, etc.

But don't even bother engaging them Julia there's a DEFINITE agenda there.

Edited March 13, 201015 yr by DeeeDee

Man, and I thought Peter Bergman would be out getting his tan today!

In all honesty, I'll admit, I put Ria Rowell into the "crazy bitch" category for years, but that excuse from TIIC can only work so much when she's gone and similar things are happening to other performers. There are some major politics and power plays going on at Y&R and by looking at what's happening on and off-screen, it's blatantly obvious.

I'm not gonna sit here and say that Rowell was completely right, but the evidence is clearly there. They have finally, completely pigeonholed Neil and nuMalcolm into these subservient, second banana positions instead of fully committing to them or admitting they feel they don't need black characters on their show. Even if Rowell doesn't return, they couldn't have already created and developed a black female character that, although will never be Dru, could have an interesting backstory and could be paired with Neil, Malcolm, or someone else on the show? Someone they could "steal" from ABC, like they did with Eden?

And it's not just going on with Rowell. Other vets have been shafted as well because of politics and power plays. Jess Walton, forced into reducing her guarantee so they can continue to [!@#$%^&*] on her character for the delight and the propping of company fave Granny Cooper. Melody Thomas Scott(former boss of the wife), who, as far as I'm concerned, is just as important as Eric Braeden, is rarely ever seen and when she is, it's only to endure more abuse by Victor.

Rowell, despite her mass re-tweeting and her cries of racism, is only clarifying part of a larger issue at Y&R. She knows that there are people BTS that don't want to see her on the show again, but those exact same people are likely the ones that are cockblocking MTS, Walton, Kristoff, and other vets.

I'd find it really funny if Bergman is met with the same fate, especially considering he is likely part of this clique and that, essentially, Tucker is a cheaper, more ballsy Jack Abbott. And we all know how much Sheffer loves men with balls. Bergman's hard work(along with his friends on set) in keeping the crazy black chick off the show will have been for naught, because he would be getting shafted too.

BINGO.

But certain entitled fanbases feel they are justified in their blatant racism & utter devotion to keeping glass ceilings in tact.

It's a cult.

A giggling, square jawed, sycophantic cult.

for years she has had the execs of that show wrapped around her little finger. What Stafford wants, she gets.

At the expense of actress after actress.

But don't discuss that before the gates of Mordor open releasing a billion giggling trolls with their pseudonyms who will try to delusionally justify racism & act like they're "innocently" playing "devil's advocate" as they ALWAYS do.

Edited March 13, 201015 yr by DeeeDee

Vicky's Black so she's supposed to know her place.

Which worked SO well for Debbi, Tamara, both Tonyas, Vanita, Davetta, Tanisha, Ellen, Lillian, etc.

But don't even bother engaging them Julia there's a DEFINITE agenda there.

You're right, but the double standard is so blatant. Some people can go around throwing punches and spitting on people without getting fired, but god forbid you speak out about the state of minorities on the show and you are banished for life.

And yet PB and EB were in an actual fist fight and the show put up with that. Violence in the work place seems like a bigger problem than being a Diva. I'm hardly oblivious to VR being a Diva, but I've certainly never heard of her putting her hands on anyone or spitting on anyone, so again, if her presence is inconvenient to the clique controlling Y&R, I could give a f*ck. They should be professionals and deal with it.

EXACTLY.

But see those actors are White so they are allowed to act & treat people however they want without consequence.

People Of Color are just lucky White people let them breathe the same air.

You're right, but the double standard is so blatant. Some people can go around throwing punches and spitting on people without getting fired, but god forbid you speak out about the state of minorities on the show and you are banished for life.

EXACTLY.

40 years removed from Ellen Holly & things are WORSE.

I am getting a good chuckle listening to people blast some of the other actors on the show when we really don't know what's going on or know them personally. And the so called people that we think may not be involved may very well be involved.

Frankly I love VR flapping her gums, I hope she continues to do it for a longgggggggggggggg time...the more she does it, the more she ticks of the very people who are actually the ones she needs to get on board - but she really doesn't have a clue. So let her carry on. And the same goes for all the other actors as well. They could disappear just like that..POOF! The interesting part is I would love for her to come back because the character of Dru is very interesting and one of a kind, but she's already stenching up any possibility of a return..and while I would love Dru to come back at the same time I don't miss the character either and actually would be all in favor of a recast.

Her outspokenness instead of being refreshing has now become a show of arrogance. But hey, I sure don't mind her stoking the fires..they may be willing to have her back if they don't have to pay her for it, surely she loves Y&R so much that that would not be unacceptable to her.

Edited March 13, 201015 yr by JimTolkien

deeedee, i am not a troll and i am not racist. YOU'RE the one pulling out the race card.

i find it interesting that i'm supposed to believe EVERYTHING i read that's negative about MS and PB, but i'm not supposed to believe VR has ANY responsibility for what's happened to her.

i also can't believe that people watch a show that they believe is so steeped in discrimination. it makes no sense to me.

i'm not posting here to start trouble, let alone to start a war. i will defend myself against any charge of racism, however. i find discrimination of any kind disgusting, and i won't be tagged with that label just because i think victoria rowell is a nutcase who caused her own problems.

You'd think Bergman would get sick of playing a Jack who hasn't come out on top in a storyline practically his entire time there.

1) He has a wife and family to support; and 2) I think even he realizes he isn't the greatest thespian, so he's grateful just to be working.

Remember, too, Cliff Warner could be a complete idiot sometimes; and yet, PB stayed in that role (on AMC) for over 10 years.

I've always believed a diva can act like a diva if she has the goods to back it up. Love her or hate her, Victoria Rowell is one of the key reasons viewers - and African-American viewers in particular - tune(d) into Y&R. She made you pay attention whenever she was onscreen. Same goes for Eric Braeden, Brenda Dickson, Terry Lester, etc. It's when someone acts like a snit but who can't excite you as a viewer that I have a problem.

I am getting a good chuckle listening to people blast some of the other actors on the show when we really don't know what's going on or know them personally. And the so called people that we think may not be involved may very well be involved.

I like Jack and Phyllis both, but we do know for a fact that PB and EB were in a fist fight. So I have to wonder why work place violence isn't a bigger deal than someone lacking diplomacy? And true enough, we don't know exactly what happened on the set, but we know PB has major issues with VR and that VR said MS spit on her. As far as I know all VR has been accused of is having a big mouth.

I like all of the people involved here, but I can't help but wonder why words are worse than hitting and spitting? People call VR unstable, but EB and PB come to blows and no one called them bat $hit crazy or unstable.

At the same time, one fact of life that we all live with is that there is a price to pay for calling out your employer and that is true whether you are at the top of the food chain or the bottom. So yes, I think VR had to know that some of the things she's said wouldn't win her any points with TPTB. I really wonder why she even wants to come back to Y&R. Her book was successful, it doesn't seem like Y&R would even be worth the trouble at this point. If anything it seems like the backstage politics there are worse than ever.

People call VR unstable, but EB and PB come to blows and no one called them bat $hit crazy or unstable.

Exactly.

I believe VR wants to return to Y&R, b/c Drucilla's one of the best AA female characters ever created; but she's not going to grovel to do it.

Mordor has arrived

I like all of the people involved here, but I can't help but wonder why words are worse than hitting and spitting? People call VR unstable, but EB and PB come to blows and no one called them bat $hit crazy or unstable.

They are white.

They can do WHATEVER they want without consequence & not only are they not punished but are REWARDED for their actions.

Look at OLTL ratings are falling but WHO are the ones that were fired?

The minorities.

And it's worse for Y&R but Mordor has arrived to try to derail the conversation.

As usual.

Edited March 13, 201015 yr by DeeeDee