Members Mr. Vixen Posted February 20, 2010 Members Share Posted February 20, 2010 Okay, so this is something that has been bugging me a LOT lately. I understand that Lucky is extremely upset after what Liz did, and that is TOTALLY understandable, BUT... I seem to recall back in 2002, when that recast Sarah came to town, Lucky cheated on Liz with her, multiple times! Am i right? Or were they broken up. I seem to remember Lucky cheating on Liz with Sarah, and Liz walking in...Then I think there was some big "I told you" confrontation between Liz and Gia... So, if that is true.. How can Lucky really call her any of those names, or judge her when he did the same thing?? I mean I understand he is upset, but come on he did the same thing. I guess they just decided to "forget" about that, to prop up Lucky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted February 20, 2010 Members Share Posted February 20, 2010 Yes Lucky did sleep with Sarah while he was with Liz, but that was 7-8 years ago. Since then, they've both had their own affairs. The point is that they have gotten to a point where they were grown, have kids involved and have forgiven each other for their past indescretions. Not that it makes it any better, but he and Sarah werent having some full blown affair all over town for months. They only slept together, I beleive once or twice when Liz caught them. There werent months of lies and empty promises to cover that all up. Sarah cant be thrown in his face bc that was long dealt with in the past. Its hardly relevant now as it doesnt excuse or make what Liz is currently doing any less wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr. Vixen Posted February 20, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 20, 2010 I would agree with that to some extenet. I just think that it should have been mentioned. Someone should have said "Hey Lucky, remember Sarah about 8 years ago?" It would have been a better excuse for Lucky to start to forgive her than just because he felt bad. I think it's total BS when they throw Liz and Jason in Liz's face. As far as I am concerned, Liz did ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong. Lucky was cheating on her, and their relationship was over. Albeit, they got back together later, but at the time, and for months later I believe, the relationship was over. I think it would be much more appropriate to throw Sarah and Lucky in Lucky's face, than to call liz a whore for sleeping with Jason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted February 20, 2010 Members Share Posted February 20, 2010 Yes, he can judge Liz. Just because you make a mistake that doesn't give someone a free pass for life to do the same. As I remember it Lucky was not in love with Liz when he had sex with Sarah. He had been brainwashed by Helena. Were Liz and Lucky even together at the time? I don't remember the sequence of events, but I do remember him telling her many times that he didn't feel the way he used to, but that Liz couldn't accept it. Not that I think having sex with your ex's sibling is ever appropriate. There are plenty of fish in the sea and Lucky was an ass for going after that one, but he and Liz weren't engaged with kids at the time either. She let Lucky believe he had a child and got back together with him, while continuing to hook up with Jason. Didn't she even marry Lucky a second time while her heart was with Jason? That seems pretty wrong to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr. Vixen Posted February 20, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 20, 2010 Good points...And obviously, I do not think that what Lucky did was ANY excuse for what Liz did, and obviously, the kids play a big factor in why Liz's choice was just much worse. I just seem to think GH conveniently had Liz, Lucky, and everyone else on the show forgot about it, because that wasnt when precious JJ played the role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Juliajms Posted February 20, 2010 Members Share Posted February 20, 2010 Yeah, I agree that it should have been mentioned by someone. Probably Luke. If Liz had said it, it would have ruined the sympathy the character generated, even though it probably would have been a lot more realistic. When she just stood there and took it, even I felt bad for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr. Vixen Posted February 20, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 20, 2010 That's exactly what I was thinking. I was like well, if Liz says this, a lot of people will see it as her making excuses, and she will lose any sympathy she had from anyone. Luke would have been the good choice, since he seems to be the only one Lucky listens to anymore. I always thought Bobbie could have been a great support system for both Lucky AND Liz in this storyline...But she is MIA as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members dragonflies Posted February 20, 2010 Members Share Posted February 20, 2010 The thing that bugs the ish out of me, is that Lucky's affairs weren't thrown in his face and he wasn't called every vile, nasty name in the book like was done to Liz. He wasn't publicly trashed like Liz has been and whatnot. More of Luza's misogynistic writing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr. Vixen Posted February 20, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 20, 2010 I totally agree. His transgresions with Sarah have been completely annialated. And everytime someone mentions Maxie it's all "OH but he was on drugs"...Uhm OK? Unless he was overdosing on Viagra, im pretty sure it wasnt mandatory to his drug addiction for him to screw Maxie for months. There are plenty of drug dealers who dont require sex for drugs. And since Lucky seems to be the only cop in America who earns enough for dream homes,etc. I think he could have afforded a handful of pills. It's just so horrible that when Lucky really and truly cheated on Liz it's completely ignored, but then Liz cheats on him and she is made to be the town tramp, and go insane, when Lucky gets by with a free pass. It's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R Sinclair Posted February 20, 2010 Members Share Posted February 20, 2010 That storyline gave me one of my favorite lines from Liz to Lucky: "No more 'Permanent Lock,' that was so easily picked!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr. Vixen Posted February 20, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 20, 2010 Agreed, that was actually a great line....Just stumbled across it on YouTube the other day, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members R Sinclair Posted February 20, 2010 Members Share Posted February 20, 2010 OMG! Help me out! I'm Tubing tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mr. Vixen Posted February 20, 2010 Author Members Share Posted February 20, 2010 AHH, I'll look! I cant remember what the video was called...If i find it, I'll post it for u. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members NorrthCafe Posted February 20, 2010 Members Share Posted February 20, 2010 I think that Liz's actions are FAR WORSE than that idiotic affair with Lucky and Sarah. I've commented on this in the past, and was glad that the writers FINALLY addressed this on screen - Liz's betrayal cuts deeper not just because of the self-righteous attitudes she has about honesty and fidelity... it cuts deeper because Lucky is a man who has never known family stability and deep craves it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tRWDDhjO8U&feature=related Liz gives it to him just to steal it away from him again. She does it in the most painful ways possible. It's such a nasty little passive-aggressive move on her part. I think of LL2 as being the same as LL1,but with a role reversal. Liz = Luke and Lucky = Laura. When she cheated with Jason, I didn't see her as being absolved just because of Lucky's actions. Had she left Lucky and had an OPEN relationship with Jason, that would have been one thing. She didn't. Funny that Cam's safety was supposed to be what kept them apart, before. Yet, the moment she was angry with Lucky, she was in Jason's bed. Lucky's affair with Maxie was addiction based. She stole the pills he 'needed' to stay high. Does that excuse him? No, it doesn't make his actions any less painful. Lucky's addiction was pills. Maybe Liz's addiction is self pity and drama. It's interesting to me that the writers have her cite concerns about Lucky's 'stability in recovery' as her excuse to keep the news of Jake's paternity from Lucky and then act as if the addiction played little to no role in his affair with Maxie. More evidence of Liz's cruelty? Carly pointed out that while Liz claimed her paternity lies were all for Lucky's sake, she gave Jake Jason's initials (Jake Martin...) I'd prefer: 1. To have the writers keep Liz away from Lucky. 2. To have them stop with the faux saint syndrome as it relates to liz and write her as the full tilt villainess/schemer she was meant to be. It was how she started out. Let her rock Helena's world and take Nik for all he's worth! Overall, I agree that it's misogynistic for Liz to bear the brunt of this. Nik deserves to get the worst of it in my book. I don't think the tone is too heavy regarding her, just too light regarding Nik's actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members quartermainefan Posted February 20, 2010 Members Share Posted February 20, 2010 Lucky can judge Liz, pronounce sentence, and exact the execution. Lucky is raising her criminal babies while she is out sleeping with his brother. Let Liz call up Zander to raise that little brat. Oh, she can't, he was a drug dealing gangster wannabe who died. So call up Jason. Oh, she can't do that either because he is this brain damaged hit man. How dumb can Lucky be to put up with this nonsense? He should tell her to pack her things, take her brats, and hit the road. Liz should go out and find some more sisters for Lucky in an attempt to make this up to him. I actually agreed with Helena today, she is sort of doing Lucky a favor by getting Liz into her clutches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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