Well let's look at Jill's position in some of the openings over the years:

1988:

1992:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV2UsFU-pbg

From first to oh erm, middle of the pack or wearing a most hideous dress with bad hair:

1999:

1998:

close your eyes when you get to Walton in the last one!

Edited February 9, 201015 yr by soapfan770

1998 was one of Walton's worse looking years--if not the only bad-looking year she ever had. That haircut was just atrocious.

Walton's hair flip in one of the porn openings? GREATEST. HAIRTOSS. EVER.

How do you waste Jess?

Seriously!

I love that 1988 opening, so many ridiculous poses. Jess is trying her best to be the diva, it's great. And Phillip looking...confused. Christine with all those awful prissy poses that make her look like she's going to be in a Kylie video of that era. Katherine as the regal, cold lady of the manor - NO DUMPSTER DIVING to be found. I notice that Nina directly follows Jill in several of these openings. That's a sign to the idiots with the show now to use them in proper stories! Who is that guy in the red shirt with the white collar?

Who is that guy in the red shirt with the white collar?

Chase.

I get the impression from the writing that when I hit 39 suicide is the only option because life afterwards is not worth living.

TO THE LAKE!

From the moment she cut her hair, Jill has been destroyed!

Not really.

Her destruction was long after the cut.

I love that 1988 opening, so many ridiculous poses. Jess is trying her best to be the diva, it's great. And Phillip looking...confused. Christine with all those awful prissy poses that make her look like she's going to be in a Kylie video of that era. Katherine as the regal, cold lady of the manor - NO DUMPSTER DIVING to be found. I notice that Nina directly follows Jill in several of these openings. That's a sign to the idiots with the show now to use them in proper stories! Who is that guy in the red shirt with the white collar?

Exactly. Rex placing that diamond around Katherine's neck was perfect as she was really a cold hearted queen. Plus you gotta love those openings! There was the Nikki opening, the Jill opening, and the Lauren opening. Nikki's featured the Newmans and Abbotts. Jill's was pretty much the above. Lauren's usually featured her and Scotty with the Williams and Barber/Winters clans with Nikki always having the final shot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbxeGCJEr2A

God watching these 30-second openings proves far, far far more interesting than anything airing on Y&R currently.

Not really.

Her destruction was long after the cut.

Well, I was kinda kidding but... I guess I was thinking of the Jill/Katherine mess that kind of started the descent and was relatively close to the event at question But, yes, the real destruction came much later.

YOU'RE NOT NORMAL ABBY!

The Abby character offends me. She's just straight up stupid.

At this point, I wouldn't put it passed these hacks to kill Jill by November sweeps.

Honestly, I don't know why they think the audience must hate this character to show such contempt and hatred for her in the writing as they do.

I don't understand it either. Jill has been rootable for decades...it really boggles my mind. I know those Neilsen surveys don't hurt Jess Walton, I honestly cannot figure out who would hate the Jill character that much...the LAME fans would like her because she's Cane's 'mommy', the ones with taste would love Jill simply because it's Jess Walton playing her and the 78 year old women in Wichita would like Jill because she's Jill and she's been there from the start.

If Jill goes, damn do I ever hope all of us go with her!

The show is very good at degrading and writing down characters until viewers are fine with them dying. They did this with Colleen. They can easily do the same to Lauren, Jill, and Nikki.

The CASUAL contempt and hostility the show feels toward her is extremely depressing.

I never thought a Stephen Nichols character could be boring. How do you take a story about a man who wants to destroy his mother's company because he was given up at birth, and make it boring??

That's very well put Carl, it's a casual contempt, it's like at every turn they take a piss on Jill. UGH.

And yes, Stephen Nichols is a total dud. Katherine should just kill Tucker by giving him a ride from the aiport (drunk, obviously) and get this mess over with. Kay would survive such an accident, of course, she's Robo Kay!

It's funny, Y&R these days is either offensive, or is offensively boring. There's nothing else on this show.

This writing team cannot and does not do character writing AT ALL. These characters are so one-note, vanilla, boring, and even the ones they want us to believe are edgy like Adam and Billy are so damn flat and overdone, there's nothing really watchable there.

Let's not even talk about Adam...

And once again, Muhney is hamming his facial expressions ("Phyllis!") so I'm assuming Brock didn't leave town, and I just missed it? It's just bad continuity? do they want us to believe he was tying one on at Jimmy's while the house was being broken into? His presence would be GREAT. if they'd DO SOMETHING WITH HIM! I'm so depressed about Jill today. Jess must really be a team player, cause I KNOW without a shred of doubt that Dickson would have never played this story.

Oh to hell with it, let's talk Adam. He is the single most offensive character in daytime and the actor...[!@#$%^&*] is he ugly or what?! If a bald eagle had an affair with Phyllis Diller, we'd get Michael Muhney. Atrocious actor. Such a piece of scum!

And yes, Jess is a team player.

She's a two time Emmy winner.

It's just sad.

It's also insulting.

The women on this show need to hold this hack writing team hostage and beat the sh!t out of them for this nonsense.

But those sickos would probably enjoy it.

Is it wrong that I kinda hope Hogan has a heart attack, Scott Hamner gets abducted, Paul Rauch loses his voice and MAB gets lost in Laurel Canyon?

It's horrible when you see a favorite character being mutilated.

It is *the worst*...

How do you waste Jess Walton?

Seriously.

You take one hack writer/wannabe socialite, two flunkie Co-HW and one mysoginist pig executive producer and BAM, instant waste of Jess Walton.

Jill could kill Murphy and spit on his grave at this point, and I'd still root for her over Katherine and Tucker.

And yes, I do think Murphy is a useless character and Katherine should not have married that fast, especially at her age, marriage is just not needed.

The writing wants us to side against her and laugh at her humiliation, but I'm doing the opposite.

I am with you, the more sh*t that happens to Jill to humiliate her, the more I root for her.

As an aside, the image of Jill killing Murphy and then spitting on his grave made me cackle.

I am with you, the more sh*t that happens to Jill to humiliate her, the more I root for her.

As an aside, the image of Jill killing Murphy and then spitting on his grave made me cackle.

OK, question. I know TIIC are scum-of-the-earth, having totally destroyed our trust in the show and ruined so many characters in order to prop a select few. But watching Y&R the past few episodes, I had the same reaction you did -- I was 100% behind Jill, urging her to get back at Tucker, Kay, Caaaaaaaaaaaaane and everybody else. It was one thing after another yesterday, with everybody she loved abandoning her and then stopping to kick her while she was down. Does anybody think the writers WANT us to root for Jill, that they are breaking her down in order to perhaps build her back up?

I'm not sure one way or another, which is why I ask.

I don't think they want us to root for Jill, although I hope they do, but I think they want us to see her as a self-destructive loser who brings all this on herself. I think they just don't really have any idea of how to balance a storyline. Like all the time that some viewers assumed Adam must be the one we are supposed to root for in this story with Nick and Sharon, because Nick is such an ass. But sure enough, we have started getting the boring flashbacks to that $10 remote to Paris which started the last "whoring around for our dead daughter" sleazeathon, and the endless, "I saw Faith burp. She's baby Noah!" nonsense.

I think we are supposed to see Katherine as noble but easily addled by her messed up ex daughter, Cane as noble and true, a moral beacon, Tucker as hot stuff who can nail some silent bimbo 30-40 years his junior, so he's a real man.

Does anybody think the writers WANT us to root for Jill, that they are breaking her down in order to perhaps build her back up?

Hell no. There's so much slant with the writing.

If they wanted to show a semblance of building Jill back up, she'd be the one trying to convince that p&ssy grandson of hers to chill the eff out or show him, despite his own problems with the never seen Griggs, comforting his grandmother.

But who got that scene instead? Granny Cooper talking to Chance like she's some sort of patron saint of Genoa City. It was so laughable and ridiculous to see this ex-drunk, former ice queen try to give someone advice on "the family who loves you." What does she know about family? She's spent years trying to kick people out of that house(except Phillip II, but of course, that was only to stick it to Jill).

Y&R is just fail on every level. I am sick to my stomach about what they are doing to these characters. It's almost as if they are doing this to intentionally piss off savvy viewers because they have such a solid offline fanbase that won't change the channel.

Edited February 9, 201015 yr by bellcurve

Teeth and the Cryptkeeper?

No! Just No!

I'm glad none of these high profiled actresses took Y&R's bait. They'd be sacked with arrogant, toothy Miller as a love interest.

I wonder if Gloria stole that outfit from Maria Bell's closet?