Braeden already served a purpose, he puts JM's Nick right back into place he was has been out of place since Victor left. Can somebody change the Nick /Phyllis dialogue? I mean does anything else matter to this couple more than Sharon?

Edited January 19, 201015 yr by classicmoment

You mean "less than 6 weeks", right?

Oh, it is appalling!

BUT, they initially set this in motion to plug another LML hole (Kay's real kid) and to replace TGVN. They rushed to this point, I think, to reposition him as a foe for Victor. I'm not saying that excuses it--there was actually no need to rush it. But because TGVN is seldom allowed to be "stupid", they had to have Tucker dupe the town before Victor got back. Because, if Victor had gotten back, he would have smelled bullsh!t and stopped the whole scam.

I get the sense, from Braeden's interviews, that they are just going to FORGET this Colleen's heart stuff. I don't think we'll ever hear that Victor had a heart transplant again. He's back, strong, all all that other stuff is forgotten.

Of course I'm not defending this. But that is how I see it go down.

Victor, conveniently, is NOT an idiot, because he wasn't there when Tucker did his duping.

NASH was delightful today. I liked Neil's tentativeness, and Ashley's non-verbal acknowledgement. And you're right...I'm hoping SN will be allowed to be a bona fide foe for TGVN...not just someone who can be swept away.

If Rowell ever comes back (they'll probably recast Dru with the mother from Family Matters or Fresh Prince or something), I think Dru-versus-Ash could be quite interesting. Not the least of which because it was Dru who PUSHED Olivia into Brad's bed all those years ago.

I think the Olivia tie is intriguing...it's back there. Olivia could either act as a supporter, or as a jealous woman. Either way is intriguing.

As we've heard though, between Williams' busy schedule on other shows, and Y&R's inability to afford heavy recurring (budget balancing), we're unlikely to see Olivia for a long time. It makes little sense, for example, if Olivia is still in G.C. that she wouldn't react to the return of nu-not-Malcolm.

LOL. I've even been thinking how to honor the arrival of this power player. There is a specific pic I want....

ETA: LMAO, I found the pic. And bellcurve will likely rip me yet another new one for posting it, .

The Dru/Olivia/ Ashley dynamic has always been only touched on now it can be delved into a bit more, characterizing both woman and somehow redignifying Ashley would be a gem as long as they are each written character with Olivia playing supporting for either or both

Braeden already served a purpose, he puts JM's Nick right back into place he was has been out of place since Victor left.

You got that sweater vest?!

Nikki: Summer's doing so well.

Phyllis: Oh, yeah. She's come a long way. She has a long way to go.

Nikki: Yeah. I hope you realize that Victor regrets very much what happened.

Phyllis: Yeah, I know. I remember him in the hospital with her. I'm also sure it hit him hard when he realized that he indirectly put her there. But I'm not sure if anything's changed with him. I mean, do you think he's any less controlling or vengeful?

Nikki: Actually, I do.

Phyllis: I wish I could believe that. And if I could, it'd be a lot easier to forgive him.

Nikki: Phyllis, you don't have to forgive him.

Phyllis: I do have to forgive him, Nikki. I do. He's the grandfather of my daughter. And my husband needs his father in his life.

Nikki: I think it's good you realize that.

THIS. This dialogue makes me red-mist angry. I can totally see Maria's thinking behind this, too. Let's acknowledge what Victor did in order to not really acknowledge it. Total white-wash. And please don't tell me that Phyllis picked this up again later in the show with Nick. If y'all think for one second that Eric Braeden is going to let the show keep bringing this up in a way that leaves Victor not smelling like roses, you are all delusional!

I know I've been tuning out of Y&R but... have Neil & Ashley been building up for a while now?! Because it seems like two coffees-at-Crimson-Lights-later and Neil is about ready to declare his undying love! I love the idea of these two but using my imagination for fan-fic only goes so far.

This show gives me whiplash.

Ramdon comments...

The Tucker is just incredibly rushed. Freaking unbelievable. I still HATE Nick & Phyllis and by their second scene in each episode I have to hit the FF button. Michael Muhney hasn't irritated me for the first since his Y&R debut. He somehow toned down his antics and tries to do sth. with his material.

Nikki: Summer's doing so well.

Phyllis: Oh, yeah. She's come a long way. She has a long way to go.

Nikki: Yeah. I hope you realize that Victor regrets very much what happened.

Phyllis: Yeah, I know. I remember him in the hospital with her. I'm also sure it hit him hard when he realized that he indirectly put her there. But I'm not sure if anything's changed with him. I mean, do you think he's any less controlling or vengeful?

Nikki: Actually, I do.

Phyllis: I wish I could believe that. And if I could, it'd be a lot easier to forgive him.

Nikki: Phyllis, you don't have to forgive him.

Phyllis: I do have to forgive him, Nikki. I do. He's the grandfather of my daughter. And my husband needs his father in his life.

Nikki: I think it's good you realize that.

THIS. This dialogue makes me red-mist angry. I can totally see Maria's thinking behind this, too. Let's acknowledge what Victor did in order to not really acknowledge it. Total white-wash. And please don't tell me that Phyllis picked this up again later in the show with Nick. If y'all think for one second that Eric Braeden is going to let the show keep bringing this up in a way that leaves Victor not smelling like roses, you are all delusional!

I know I've been tuning out of Y&R but... have Neil & Ashley been building up for a while now?! Because it seems like two coffees-at-Crimson-Lights-later and Neil is about ready to declare his undying love! I love the idea of these two but using my imagination for fan-fic only goes so far.

This show gives me whiplash.

Adam is not blind. He is vision impaired and has good vision at the center of fixation

Michael Muhney showed pic at

http://www.blindness...id=50&Itemid=67

and he is not as far gone as the person on the right.

Also, Muhney tweeted that the "network" provided a "note" that told him to tone down on the blindness. So he has been playing himself as more competently sighted following his boss' instructions. I linked his tweets last week I think.

Thanks for the clarity. This was bugging me. I don't come to this thread too often no more. Its' like rerun's. The same people say the same things.

Ramdon comments...

The Tucker is just incredibly rushed. Freaking unbelievable. I still HATE Nick & Phyllis and by their second scene in each episode I have to hit the FF button. Michael Muhney hasn't irritated me for the first since his Y&R debut. He somehow toned down his antics and tries to do sth. with his material.

I think that darting-of-eyes that he did (that made him seem all "ticcy") was his attempt to show that he was constantly adjusting his visual focus to see out of his peephole.

I guess CBS thought that made him seem too spastic and cocaine-addicted, and told him to tone it down. He responded with -- his words -- "some adjustments".

I think the resulting Adam seems more normal...less twitchy with fewer facial grimaces, etc. That actually makes him less realistically blind...but I don't think CBS cares about that. Devon is the most unrealistically "totally deaf with a cochlear implant" I have ever seen. In fact, they so dis-honor hearing impairment, I wish they'd just give him a miracle cure, rather than perpetuate the farce.

BUT, they initially set this in motion to plug another LML hole (Kay's real kid) and to replace TGVN.

Nope, this is yet another hole of MAB's own making. She's the one that 'unrelated' Kay and Jill which opened up the whole question of the missing kid.

I seriously doubt she had this story planned when she did it, though. She doesn't even seem to have short term planning, much less long term.

THIS. This dialogue makes me red-mist angry. I can totally see Maria's thinking behind this, too. Let's acknowledge what Victor did in order to not really acknowledge it. Total white-wash. And please don't tell me that Phyllis picked this up again later in the show with Nick. If y'all think for one second that Eric Braeden is going to let the show keep bringing this up in a way that leaves Victor not smelling like roses, you are all delusional!

Giggly Heffa wants to stay on the ranch to help Nick fight Adam?

Giggly Heffa wants to stay on the ranch to help Nick fight Adam?

First of all, that toenail is gnarls. *gag*

Secondly, the thought of Giggly and, as you so aptly put it, Monkey McSweaterVest going up against the same criminal mastermind who singlehandedly saves people (and dogs!) from burning houses when almost completely blind -- and winning?

Vail!

I'm not ready to declare undying love for her and Emmy praise, but I love her attempting to make these scenes interesting.

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Jesus...Hayley Erin can't emote for [!@#$%^&*].

Edited January 19, 201015 yr by bellcurve

Monkey McSweaterVest

LMAO

Faith frowning when Victor kissed her :lol: :lol:

Jesus...Hayley Erin can't emote for [!@#$%^&*].

Whoever cast Erin & Zima needs to be fired.

Whoever cast Erin & Zima needs to be fired.

Yes!

Whoever cast Erin & Zima needs to be fired.

Yes!

That would be Camille St. Cyr and her associate, who was advertised as Godsend (by some members here also) when she replaced that Latham-import.