Y&R Casting Scandal?

[MoTheGreat]

I think both Krisoff & the guys that plays Devon are lighter then CK. But I guess their black features are holdinmg back the writers for writing for them. They don't have that beak nose like CK.

Anywho, that bitch isn't black enough. This comment goes out y&rfan.

[y&r_fan]

There.

Are.

No.

Words.

[JackPeyton]

also, perhaps the powers that be dont want to deal with her diva attitude anymore?...

[Cat]

PREACH! The same people who still address grown black men as "boy" are dictating storylining.

I think there is some truth to this. I suspect Rauch has heard one side of the story and just does not want to deal with all that. Look at the way certain actors have been punished/gagged/fired for running their mouth. If VR is made the exception, Rauch's ability to keep his actors in line disintegrates -- and there goes his power. Even Braeden and Cooper toe the line to a certain extent.

Having said that, Y&R needs Ducilla as a shot in the arm. Now more than ever.

[Juliajms]

Well, since he was fired, I guess it wasn't ok.

I very much doubt this. The people with the mindset you speak of are going to look at Lily and see nothing but a black character. The difference isn't that Lily is lighter, it's that Lily is a female. For whatever unfathomable reason white women with black men is the thing that really sets the haters off.

[marla0518]

it is sad that in 2009 we are having the "she is not black enough" conversation. is it that she is speaking so that she is understood, is getting a college education, she is dressed nicely, she does not drop the "F" word or pulls her cell phone out of her bra ??? I see Lily as a female character on a soap opera, just as I see Chloe as a female character on a soap opera, I do not see them as black or white.

I am still waiting to see characters on soaps from my ethnic background, Spanish/Italian/Irish/German, some more characters my age group of over 50, some more characters like me that have worked everyday since they were 18, some more characters like me that are not a size 0 and don't wake up looking like they are "perfect", but I don't feel the need to rant and bitch about it.

[classicmoment]

I don't see how anyone even hinted these were the definitive characteristics of an identifiable AA character on a soap opera. Things that were mentioned is her lack of interest in any leading AA male character, her lack of fire, her lack of relativity among a bulk of AA audience, and her lack of connection to that side of the character. I'm not of any other race but I can appreciate cultural relativity on an individual level. Not only am I as a viewer and a consumer asking for proper representation in the market of which Brand owners want me to invest in, I want to see diverse interest. My biggest problem with Lily is not even that she's not "black enough" because in a sense there is a good argument for what is and what isn't "black enough" and in another sense there is a good argument for that term being regressive, however the she's not "black enough" argument is highlighted by the backburnering and lack of interest in the other AA characters on the show which ties into the growing urgence of wanting VR back. That makes way for the arguments of Lily not being "black enough", in the eyes of many viewers that argument is valid. As a viewer who happens to be black, I'd much rather and feel more connected to a Dru or a Neil and God help me Devon than I do Lily for many reasons I can begin to list but I do understand and can use that in my arguments as to why I feel Lily isn't "Black enough".

[marla0518]

since when does CK carry the weight to WRITE the dialogue for her own character??? CK acts the scenes she is GIVEN by the writers, why is she being bashed for something that is out of her control

and since when does CK decide who her character is paired with??? why does a AA female character HAVE to be paired with a AA male character?? why does a AA male character have to be paired with a AA female character?? when I go out into the real world I see people of all races getting along with, paired with and married to people of other races. Too bad some want to remain in the "old days" of "not mixing".

I will always remember the storyline on OLTL with Carla, the "secretary" of the Chief of Staff @ Llanview Hospital Jim Craig. Beautiful woman, well educated, beautiful dressed, hard working woman, but she had a big secret, she was an AA woman passing for white because of her light skin in order to get a better job, and her mother Sadie worked in the cafeteria, Sadie was a proud AA woman who works hard and loves her daughter. I remember the controversery in 1968, six months after we first saw Carla we find out her secret. It was ground breaking and I remember my mother telling me, that as a young child, a hispanic child, in the 1930's, she anglenized herself in order to be accepted in the "white" world. She refused to speak spanish, she did not want to be looked down on like her mother was, a cleaning woman who was divorced, a big no no in the late 1920's - 1930's, she wanted more for herself. She lived Carla'a life and she cried watching it, and she told me then when I was 11 that neither the color our skin, your race or your sex should determine who you are, what you can do or who you can fall in love with or marry.

It is just sad to me that CK and the character of Lily are being bashed for being a beautiful woman who lives in 2009 not the past.

[MoTheGreat]

If CK was black enough the black audience woudln't be leaving. The black audience wouldn't be crying for VR return. CK is lacking what black audience is wanting from a Dru or a Malcolm. OR to even CK blandness with hiring somebody else that have more fire.

Since you don't understand why to keep trying to understand. The black viewers like me said she isn't black enough to keep her own self interesting if she didn't have one of her white hopes. A black viewer like me say she isn't black enough to keep bland, boring Niel or Devon interesting because she also bland & boring. She would have been better off as some white person child this way she doesn't have to live up to what the black audience wants from a black character or as Dru & Malcolm daughter.

The bitch isn't black enough get over it. I don't care if you don't understand & don't care to understand. I'm tired of writers telling me who to except in a black role because the white audience who we are writing for.

[MoTheGreat]

I wonder was they getting complaints about Davetta saying she's to black for Daniel. & that's why they was going ot hire a black guy for her. But once not black enough CKLily got rehired. Their was no black guy in sight.

[Gray Bunny]

Yikes. I can only hope the rest of the world doesn't follow that mindset or else bigotry, predjudice, homophobia, etc. will never subside.

[Juliajms]

She doesn't have to, but when she's had only white bf's it's completely unrealistic that her family wouldn't ask her what's up. Y&R can pretend that we are living in a color blind society, but all of us living in the real world know that is not the case. When Y&R pretends otherwise it rings very false and shallow. They are too afraid to take these issues head on and deal with them realistically. It's too bad because it's an opportunity to challenge viewers to be more open minded, but Y&R would rather bury their heads in the sand and pretend these issues don't exist at all.

[MoTheGreat]

Black viewers complain about why black characters in their own little world on soaps. & here we have Lily who can interact with all the other cast memebers not just her black family. & also get to have meaningful sotrylines. This where CK not black enough comes into play for black viewers who can't watch her.

Another problem with CKLily only dating whites is they all done her wrong but she'll be looking for next white Prince Charming. Somebody should to CKLily that Prince Charming comes in other nationalties.

[Cat]

The problem with Lily is not how "black" she may or may not be. It is that she is written assilly and performed assilly. She's a bore!

[alphanguy74]

I totally understand your post, my best friend is black, and also a Y&R fan, and he has ALWAYS referred to CK as "Little miss white chocolate". I think it's hilarious, acutally. But Wev'e talked about this at length, and we don't pull any punches with each other cause wer'e close. I asked him why it seems so many times that black folks won't watch a show unless black people are on it.... and he tells me it's just a cultural thing. Although the gay part of him will watch an all white show if there is GLAMOUR. Growing up, I watched shows like Good Times and What's Happenning, and enjoyed the HELL out of them... so why is it that the black viewer feel they have to have a black character on a show to want to watch it? And female character romantically involved with a black man? I thought the complaint was that the Winters were too segregated? That's the main thing I don't get. MY friend tells me it's because there are so FEW black couples in daytime, is that the case? I get that it would be for HIM, because he watches 3 soaps, but alot of people only watch ONE.