I'm not surprised the didn't show the stunt. They didn't show Noah falling in the ice this winter, nor Brad going in after him.

I want better.

Me too, and we certainly aren't getting that with Maria Arena Bell, Hogan Sheffer, and Scott Hamner. This show has imploded and is a bloody hot mess.

It's amazing the amount of contempt this writing regime has for the fans and for legacy characters. They especially take the intelligence of their fans for granted.

A lot used the "give it time" excuse when I noticed huge problems with this show back in the Spring. Well, now it's almost Fall, and the toxic nature of this writing regime is out in the open for all to see the damage they're causing.

I cannot see how anyone can defend crap like this. This show and the decisions these writers are making is just beyond bad.

C'mon, now! Let's not settle for mediocrity! Lynn Marie Troll wasn't just an awful writer who had no interest in learning about the characters she was writing about, she also outlawed cliffhangers and any kind of continuing-drama impetus. It was deadly dull and painful to watch Giggly Phyllis and Gloria dominate every other show. SO bad. At least yesterday we were getting Peter Bergman and Eric Braeden go toe-to-toe.

I want better.

I didn't say I want LML back, I said if the choice is between her and what we have right now, I'll take LML and I would. She sucked in ways I find much more tolerable than the morbid mess that is now airing in place of real Y&R.

Something was bugging me... OK, a lot was bugging me, but this confused me first: How did Colleen end up in the water? The last I saw, Colleen was rowing out, and the next she's in the water - WTF?! Did they wuss out on showing the stunt, and instead jump straight into the "action?"

I had the same reaction. The lack of continuity on this show is insane. This is Storytelling 101, folks.

Yes, I watched this crap, and no, I'm not proud of myself.

Colleen's death is gonna be used to banish Traci & Steve.

Forever.

Colleen's death is gonna be used to banish Traci & Steve.

Forever.

I wish they would use it to bring Traci back with a vengeance. I'd love to see her go up against Victor and be the one to knock him down a few pegs as her marriage to Steve disintegrates due to the loss of a child.

I wish they would use it to bring Traci back with a vengeance. I'd love to see her go up against Victor and be the one to knock him down a few pegs as her marriage to Steve disintegrates due to the loss of a child.

It's agenda driven.

There was a reason Traci, Steve & Billy stayed gone when The Baldwin-Fishers appeared.

Now that Colleen's dead Traci's good as gone.

I wonder why Maria thought we wanted another Fisher and a dead Abbott?

Now that Colleen is dead does that mean Jeffrey Todd is on his way out?

I don't think they cared about Colleen. I think they just wanted an excuse for more shock value and they thought she was the most disposable. This is their way of telling stories. One stunt after another.

And that's another big problem. How could they see Colleen as less important than say....

Gloria

Jeffrey (in particular)

"Ryder"

Amber

Devon

Kevin (as much as I hate to say it)

Jana (as much as I hate to say it cuz I luvs me some EOB)

Eden

If it is true that they would rather kill off an ABBOTT than one of these folks because she wasn't as "important" to the story, then that bites the big one (to put it mildly).

I posted this in the "Fire Maria Arena Bell, Hogan Sheffer, Scott Hamner, and Paul Rauch" thread, but it applied to the discussion taking place here.

I will NEVER forgive the Patty character for indirectly causing Colleen's death, for killing Zapato, and for causing brain damage to Summer. She IS irredeemable. Almost all of the canvas should HATE her after all these things. The Abbot's should hate her, and the Newman's should hate her. I will never be able to buy ANY possible relationship between Patty and Jack, if they ever go in that vile direction again. Thanks for ruining a character and making her irredeemable that had unlimited possibilities, hacks.

I found today's episode lacking in emotion and terribly campy. Lily's dreams about seeing Colleen were hilarious and stupid. I hate whenever soaps insert some supernatural tones into the stories. Lily's senses that something bad was happening to Colleen was just awful, and unintentionally funny to me.

And again, I agree with all those who said the Abbot's worrying about Colleen highlights just how much the character wasn't close to her family and how very rarely she interacted with her family since Tammin's been in the role, and the character was still technically in town, just doing nothing off-screen most of the time.

I wasn't shocked by their cliffhanger of Patty firing her gun, and if the spoilers are true about Colleen's heart going to someone, it will make all of this even more vile.

This show is a mess. NOTHING is working right now, guys. I should have felt something from this episode, but it all rang really fake to me. The writing and those scenes just felt fake. The stories on this show have no emotional resonance, no depth, and logical complexity.

Colleen's death is gonna be used to banish Traci & Steve.

Forever.

Sad, but true.

I wonder who was the ass.hole on this hack writing team that came up with the idea of KILLING off Traci Abbot's ONLY child?

Do these people not realize the damage they're doing to the core of this show?!?!

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I wonder who was the ass.hole on this hack writing team that came up with the idea of KILLING off Traci Abbot's ONLY child?

It HAD to be Hogan.

He did the same thing to Bryant on ATWT.

It HAD to be Hogan.

He did the same thing to Bryant on ATWT.

I admit I blame him most for what has happened to this show.

I admit I blame him most for what has happened to this show.

Before Hogan there were no floating chipmunk heads.

Besides Gloria.