I'm glad Phylis and Daniel had some scenes together today.

Daniel: Nick's a turd.

YES, he is.

Okay Mary Jane fans...here are the scenes where her divorce from Jack are finalized. I think I have some more scenes with her, but I'll have to look. There's so little Patty online which is a shame.

Patty and Jack Divorce Part One

If you look in my videos you will find part two and three.

OMG:

"Are you sure what you needed was a woman? And not a mother?"

"What you had was a silly little girl. What I had was a silly grown up boy."

Looks like Jack's still a silly grown up boy who doesn't work with klepto/psychotic grown up girls either.

Goddard's okay. He does okay with his non-Lily scene partners. But I wouldn't weep if he left.

They NEVER should've put Goddard with Khalil. MAB needs to stop catering to all of the various fan bases because it's ruining the show along with keeping the suckest of actors.

I'm actually angry about the Mary Jane and Adam spoilers.

Summer poisoned? Plastic baby head?

This is just sick and revolting. AMC has a pretty nasty villain in David Hayward but he would never hurt a child and has actually saved one or two on occasion. There's a difference between a dark human villain and a monster. Why the hell do MJ and Adam have to be monsters? SH has been selling the hell out of MJ but I fear the

Summer poisoning

is going to make it impossible to redeem her. Even Sheila, in her own disturbed way, was protective of Scotty.

Mary Jane will have a brain tumor that makes her do bad things.

Watch.

Mary Jane will have a brain tumor that makes her do bad things.

Watch.

Mary Jane will have a brain tumor that makes her do bad things.

Watch.

I wouldn't put it passed this sh!tty writing regime.

They NEVER should've put Goddard with Khalil. MAB needs to stop catering to all of the various fan bases because it's ruining the show along with keeping the suckest of actors

Aren't us folks at SON a "fanbase", too? All fans are part of one fanbase or another. The problem with Lane is not the idea or Lane or the fans of Lane. The problem is that MAB has no feeling for them as a couple and it shows in the writing. Even though Lane is not my first choice for either Cane or Lily, I can see many ways that a writer who did "feel" them could write them as interesting and worthwhile. The sad & ironic thing is that MAB does feel Billy & Mac but a horrible casting choice and an utter lack of chemistry between the actors means that the writer's passion is all for naught.

MAB also feels for art, so obviously I have very little patience and liking for the crap she cares for.

I see ratings are back to the lows the show experienced last year, and the show is actually down a bit in total viewers from last year AGAIN. I think more and more people are realizing what crap this show has deteriorated into.

To give MAB the benefit of the doubt, the ratings dip might be related to digital conversion. Also, fans might be online or watching soapnet.

That said, I think she may have killed the goose that lays the golden egg with the ruination of Jack, Sharon, Nick and Phyllis. Something is deeply wrong when I, as a Shick fan, could not care less about their reunion. This is something I've been waiting for ever since they broke up. The musical beds and the out of character writing, especially for Nick, have destroyed my affection for these characters. Without the Quad inspiring the passion it used to, where is the show going? As a Shick fan, I would much rather Nick stay with Phyllis and for all four characters to be written as real people than to have this cheap and tawdry plot-driven dreck. Nick is more dead to me than Victoria. How can MAB not see that she has gutted one of her main leading man? Oh, and what's been done to Jack is nearly as bad. We're being invited to PITY poor purse-holding Jack. What the [!@#$%^&*]? This is Jack Abbott!? And we're supposed to forget that he has two other kids?

Even though Lane is not my first choice for either Cane or Lily, I can see many ways that a writer who did "feel" them could write them as interesting and worthwhile.

Not with Khalil.

There's a reason she's never alone.

MAB also feels for art, so obviously I have very little patience and liking for the crap she cares for.

I see ratings are back to the lows the show experienced last year, and the show is actually down a bit in total viewers from last year AGAIN. I think more and more people are realizing what crap this show has deteriorated into.

There's a reason for this. ratings dip EVERY summer. It's a matter of kids being out of school, summer vacations, and since prime time is all repeats, alot of people just kind of forget about TV until fall comes again. Just like ratings are always low for holiday episodes. But of course, I don't expect you to believe that... you think the show is 95% crap, yet you like Cast/Walton/Cooper... I bet Jeanne, Jess and Tricia would be glad to know you consider them only 5% of the show. And ALOT of people care about art, you just don't. Just because YOU don't care for it, doens't mean it has no place on TV. I don't care for it, either... but I can RESPECT IT'S RIGHT TO EXIST. I'm sure alot of people in this world could care less about corporate intrigue that you treasure so much, but you know... if you want to run things, get your own damn show. Y&R doesn't exist just to please you, you know.

Edited June 19, 200916 yr by alphanguy74

There's a reason for this. ratings dip EVERY summer.

Eh. No. The show TIED its RECORD LOWS in households and is DOWN in total VIEWERS from LAST YEAR THIS TIME, which isn't good and doesn't make the future look any better.

I bet Jeanne, Jess and Tricia would be glad to know you consider them only 5% of the show.

As I don't know them personally and they don't know me, why the hell should I care about this again??!?!

And ALOT of people care about art, you just don't. Just because YOU don't care for it, doens't mean it has no place on TV. I don't care for it, either... but I can RESPECT IT'S RIGHT TO EXIST.

Hence why the show always fails when art is apart of a storyline and why the show hit record lows last year when art was dominant on the show and has tied record low ratings this week when the art storyline is prominent.

I'm sure alot of people in this world could care less about corporate intrigue that you treasure so much, but you know...

Yeah, the same corporate intrigue that was apart of the show over 20 years...

if you want to run things, get your own damn show. Y&R doesn't exist just to please you, you know.

And where did I say this? You to stop assuming. This is a message board and this is the Y&R discussion thread, if you don't like people critiquing the show, you can easily skip over those posts. I like to read a variety of things, and I watch the show every day. If it isn't entertaining me and I find it to suck, you bet I'm going to post my feelings on it. I don't post here to please you, you know.

Edited June 19, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Go Nina! Loved her lying to Jill. LOL Cane's getting nervous........

Sylph, I dont even think you watch Y&R. You never say in detail what's wrong with the show. You just copy and paste what Alvin says.

You noticed that too, eh.

Sylph's been on the anti-everything bandwagon since I first joined SON years ago. I don't think I've ever heard him praise anything on daytime. I know he doesn't like whole storylines, head writers, EP's, gimmicks, stunt-storytelling, etc. (And I don't disagree with a lot of that) But hell, I'd settle for one admission that he saw a SCENE he liked. Anything to prove he isn't here to cr@p on all the rest of us who admit to liking something, no matter how small and trivial it is.

Please, Sylph? A list of the top ten things you LIKED on daytime last year?

Specific/detailed talk from Sylph? Dude, that's NEVER going to happen.

So, to once again TRY to discuss today's eppy..

Thanks for trying. LOL

- I know I'll get slings and arrows, but I loved the Amber-Kevin part of the Scoobies today. I like that lightness, and Rikaart/Frantz. Sure, the story is crap, but it gives us great comical takes like this!

I love the Rikaart/Frantz comedy too. They should have more comedy to balance out the dark stories.

As I don't know them personally and they don't know me, why the hell should I care about this again??

Because they are talented, hardworking, and deserving of our admiration and support. And saying they are 5% of the show, when they are more like a THIRD (Or in the case of Cooper, the reason this show is even ON THE AIR) is a disservice to them and diminishes their contribution. But I know your M.O. you want to support your postings no matter what, even if it means belittling those great actresses.

Edited June 19, 200916 yr by alphanguy74

So... has anyone heard when Bierdz is gonna start making a REALLY regular appearance, other then these short scenes? It should be soon. That guy can bring such depth of emotion, I can't WAIT to see him onscreen with Cast/Walton/Cooper.