We "root" for the bad couple,

Are Chole and Billy supposed to be a couple? I don't see any feelings for her on his part. This is why I think Chloe's been painted into a corner, because she's become just one of the many women in his life. They could have done more with her place in Cane's life instead of having Cane completely reject her.

You're kidding yourself if you think Diamont will be remotely established on B&B. I fully expect to hear he's off contract by August.

And I do agree with BadZoe, he was never that great of an actor in the first place. And since it's already reported that his character will be paired with

Donna

initially, I already don't care.

You're another balloon-popper . I fully agree with what you're writing...but I also think he has so much presence and experience...and he might just break through this B&B ceiling. Unlike Eileen Davidson, this is NOT a "holding deal" (till he returns to Y&R), and Diamont seems to having something like a "lifetime contract" because of Bill Bell Sr. If this is true, Brad Bell HAS to use him and make him successful.

I know about the initial pairing you're talking about...but I don't think that will last for any period of time. I am hoping Bill Jr.-Katie (if she is given some fire) or Bill Jr.-Felicia are given a chance. I also hope they let Diamont play his physical assets. For a man in his 40s, he still a work of art.

Are Chole and Billy supposed to be a couple? I don't see any feelings for her on his part. This is why I think Chloe's been painted into a corner, because she's become just one of the many women in his life. They could have done more with her place in Cane's life instead of having Cane completely reject her.

I agree in one way about this. The other day Chloe was dressed really quite plain, her hair was limp...and I thought "where is the fashionista?".

Which I think is the point. "Chloe as cat" is a great metaphor.

She's going to come out swinging soon. But remember, she is Billy's "stalker". So she IS pathetic where he is concerned.

I don't see Chloe-Billy as a romantic couple. But I see them as totally-connected-in-larceny. I see them as partners. That is more than enough.

Are Chole and Billy supposed to be a couple? I don't see any feelings for her on his part. This is why I think Chloe's been painted into a corner, because she's become just one of the many women in his life. They could have done more with her place in Cane's life instead of having Cane completely reject her.

I think Chole and Billy are supposed to be a highly unconventional and volatile young couple. From what the writing has inferred, Billy's heart and sense of self was severely damaged once he found out he was related to Mac and could no longer be with her. It seems he's been using women, money, and other superficial things to fill the void Mac's left in his life. I think he has some feelings for Chole, but no one is ever going to measure up to Mac for him. I think she will play into his life heavily when she returns soon, as well as in other storylines.

Same thing here: I don't see them as a couple, just because Billy will always look at Chloe as a stalker, plus it's too obvious he has absolutely no feelings for her, but she does for him. Even when it seemed like he cared for her, it was actually all about the baby. So they'll need to find Chloe something else to do in a few weeks, right?

Seeing as how Billy already has his hands full with Chloe, Sharon and soon Mac, this would be the perfect chance to send Cane and Lily packing. I wouldn't even notice they're gone; I'd just suddenly feel that the quality of the show has gone up.

From what the writing has inferred, Billy's heart and sense of self was severely damaged once he found out he was related to Mac and could no longer be with her. It seems he's been using women, money, and other superficial things to fill the void Mac's left in his life. I think he has some feelings for Chole, but no one is ever going to measure up to Mac for him.

I think she will play into his life heavily when she returns soon, as well as in other storylines.

Billy/

Mac

/Chloe... just bring. it. on! Now THAT'S a triangle which can split you three ways!

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Billy and Chole are too dysfunctional to ever fully be a real longterm couple. They'd kill one another before they settled down. I like Chole having a permanent attachment to Billy's life though Delia, but we all know Mac is really the only one he'll ever love.

Billy/

Mac

/Chloe... just bring. it. on! Now THAT'S a triangle which can split you three ways!

Hate all three of them.

Hate all three of them.

See?

But, seriously... David Tom/Ash Bashioum.... Really? Or their current incarnations?

Seeing as how Billy already has his hands full with Chloe, Sharon and soon Mac, this would be the perfect chance to send Cane and Lily packing. I wouldn't even notice they're gone; I'd just suddenly feel that the quality of the show has gone up.

If anyone from Y&R is reading what we post I hope they know that more then a few people feel this way about Cane and Lilly.

I'd also feel this way to if another young lady was sent to an overseas Jabot or NE location.

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Hate all three of them.

Exact opposite of me.

If anyone from Y&R is reading what we post I hope they know that more then a few people feel this way about Cane and Lilly.

I wish, but doubt it.

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But, seriously... David Tom/Ash Bashioum.... Really? Or their current incarnations?

Bashioum. God, I didn't like her. At all.

I'm OK with Chloe, though. As long as her neuroses are held under certain... Level.

I don't know. I think she could find a better co-HW than Hogan Sheffer, most of the more pointlessly dark, overly broad, and poorly told elements of the story remind me of his ATWT tenure. I think Paul Rauch probably helps her focus and they could go to even bigger success if they found a good co-HW. I know Richard Culliton isn't known as a great writer but I wonder how he might be in this position. Or Nancy Curlee.

Was it Louise Sorel Rauch had problems with at OLTL? She's probably never going to be at Y&R anyway. I'm not sure if she's still acting.

I don't think MAB should fire either of her Co-HWs (I can't believe I'm writing positively about Scott Hamner, but Joan Collins liked him...so hey!)...I love Y&R as it is right now.

When it comes to Louise Sorel: she and Paul had a fast and loose affair that ended very badly when she was at OLTL (from 86-87 I believe)...when her contract came up for renewal he fired her. Although I love Louise, she is known for sometimes being difficult for producers/directors to deal with. She has very definite ideas about what's 'right'...but very well liked by her co-stars.

I turned on the tv a few minutes ago to watch it on SN and saw Being Erica. I was fuming and was all ready to get pissed off at the network but then I asw that it had been preempted. When is hte next time a new show will air?

I turned on the tv a few minutes ago to watch it on SN and saw Being Erica. I was fuming and was all ready to get pissed off at the network but then I asw that it had been preempted. When is hte next time a new show will air?

Next Monday, the CBS soaps are off today and tomorrow due to the NCAA Basketball Tournamen/March Maddness.

I think the "Rauch miracle"...Dan's excellent post about how it was so different at GL...reflects "Management 101".

1. P&G = corporate interference...they don't let the creative people create. Per DaytimeFan, the Bells have CONTROL of Y&R again...so we're not seeing "too many cooks".

2. At AW, and I'm guessing at his other shows, there was a tussle between Paul and his HW. That is clearly because there was not an obvious "supreme leader"...or because Paul had (mistakenly) been put in charge of the HW.

At Y&R, they have made it VERY clear that MAB is the "president", and Rauch is the "Chief of Staff". So, some of his poorer instincts are checked.

3. Rauch seems (if we believe the statements) to have accepted his role with some humility. He talks about his role as SERVING the writing. MAB said in her TVGuide Canada article (I think) that she has never seen her writing so "beautifully produced". Production SERVES storytelling...which sounds obvious, but I do not get the sense that this is how it is working at ABC or P&G or Corday Productions.

4. A corporate culture of "appreciative inquiry". Now, again, I'm not there...but what is implied by the "happy set" comments is that they have created a culture of positivity. Negative affect is toxic and contagious. All you need is one gossip, one naysayer...and it lead to bad stuff. I think -- even though she was probably RIGHT -- Rowell was probably not always a force for saying "I'm with the team...I serve the team". I think what we're seeing is that by some process a "Zeitgeist" is being cultivated at Y&R to try to reduce the toxicity...and that plays out on screen.

5. A customer service mentality. Playing the vets, paying homages to old storylines, even resurrecting old music cues...all of this points to the believe that the FIRST order of business is to serve the LOYAL customers. Keep your base, and try to expand it. Y&R is relentlessly ignoring ALL the rules about attracting "young demos". For criminy's sake, their current front-burner player is an 80-year old woman! What Y&R is doing is saying "we value our long-term viewers", and that comes from both writing and production. I'm going to assume Rauch is, in part, behind resurrecting some of the old music.

[MAB made a huge mistake when she had the twice-vasectomized Victor get Sabrina pregnant. Since then, she seems to be atoning by having a real foot in history...like Victor and Nikki's many flashbacks lately, or the Kay/Marge/Clint homage story].

Nothing is perfect. But Y&R shows the effort and respect it has for its audience, and I think Rauch is part of that.

I also think that I have learned a great deal. Honestly, I initially dismissed MAB because she was the "daughter-in-law" (I figured she was a figurehead for Brad or Bill Jr.). I also figured, because of Rauch's toxic endings at some of his previous shows, that he would be a DISASTER for a show that needed to recover.

What I have learned, again, is that prejudice is never a good thing. It is all about "goodness of fit". And MAB/Rauch, for now, fit very well. So, for as long as this show is strong, I'll relish each day as a gift.

Mark, I agree with much of your post with a few exceptions. I like that they play their vets and respect that the older characters get heavy story. They are definitely trying tp please the loyal fans of the three core families. Still, there are some fan bases and vets being totally ignored. I know most people like Lauren and Michael used just as they are, but I think it is a waste of CLB when Michael is becoming the John Silva of the show. His sole purpose is to bail his family (excluding his wife and son) out of their continual messes and show up in court once in awhile to shuffle papers. I also have a real problem when Lauren is only used to support her family and yet during a big family story she has been not shown for three weeks, and only had two appearances in five weeks. That is poor use of Lauren and Kevin's history and poor use of the talents of a good actress.

Paul has been matched with Nikki and yet we never see it being played on screen because they rarely use Doug Davidson. What's the point of matching them up if their relationship is never shown on screen? How hollow is it when Nikki says that she and Paul are serious? The Winters story is hit and miss. I don't particularly like the Neil/Karen/Tyra story but you have to tell the beats of a story. They are on one week and off the next. I still have no clue why Neil would risk his family, marriage and reputation for Tyra. I can't understand how we went from Neil not being sure about adopting Anna to being days away from adopting her. They were in a rush to get to the sex and conflict but the story was built poorly.

And where has all the romance gone? Every single couple is cheating except for Michael and Lauren and JT and Victoria and we never see them on screen. Couples don't make love, they screw. I have no problem with this happening with some couples, but every couple is excessive.

I think they can play their core characters heavily yet still fit in some story for their supporting veterans. They can have their affairs and mental illnesses, but give us some lightness. They can have their hot sex and one night stands, but give us some romance and a couple in love making love once in awhile.