23 minutes ago, Juliajms said:

The FBI didn't want to come out and tell us the Russians are trying to interfere in our elections because it's so close to the election.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/31/fbis-comey-opposed-naming-russians-citing-election-timing-source.html

 

 

Yet, the e-mails...always the e-mails!! 

 

Also CNN fires Donna Brazile but Corey Lewandowski is still there. Double standards, much?

58 minutes ago, MissLlanviewPA said:

 

Do you mean Kander?

Woops typo yes

 

My brother a traditional GOPer who lives in Mo is voting for Clinton and Kander.  He says a lot of people like Kander that he knows. We'll see.

1 minute ago, JaneAusten said:

Woops typo yes

 

My brother a traditional GOPer who lives in Mo is voting for Clinton and Kander.  He says a lot of people like Kander that he knows. We'll see.

 

Yeah, Koster and Kander are getting a LOT of GOP support in MO. Koster--the Dem candidate for Governor--was even endorsed by the NRA, which was a HUGE blow for his Republican opponent, who had an infamous ad where he fired a machine gun.

59 minutes ago, quartermainefan said:

 

 

There has been a pattern all along of Trump bleeding but then recovering.   To be honest I think I agree with Ann Coulter who way back said Trump would have had a tougher time against Sanders.    Hillary is just a bad candidate who has difficulty sealing the deal.   She knows her stuff and would make an excellent appointee, but running for office and selling is not her strong suit.   She couldn't beat a guy nobody ever heard of who had been a senator two years, and she has trouble maintaining a lead against a nutjob.

 

A lot of people don't see Trump as a nutjob though.  They see him as someone who is looking at all the manufacturing jobs leaving the country and who promises to stop it, meanwhile Hillary was initially promising to expand the new world trade order.     My old roommate from college, a bright guy who lives in a section of the country riddled with recent gang violence--gangs imported from south of the border no less.   His question is  basically "why are liberals against deporting these animals?".   Then he segues into pretty much  "and the cops are not allowed to do their job because everyone will claim they are racist".   Then he reads a memo from the school board asking children to not wear certain colors to school to reduce  gang violence and he sort of says "How crazy is this, they murder everyone and we are not allowed to hurt their gang feelings".    (I paraphrased all)    Add in the fact he is wealthy and wants to leave his kids his money when he dies, and you have a Trump supporter that is perfectly sane.     I mentioned Trump has certain anti-american ideas like basing laws on religion, and he glosses right over that because that is not on his radar.    

 

Aww let me guess your friend is a white male right? Listen I am a teacher in Chicago Public Schools are there are justifiable reasons kids are asked not to wear certain color combinations or emblems much more serious than your friend outlines. And the police. Please. Can we quit pretending there hasn't been racial bias for years(the police force originates from the KKK slave police) and admit this has been going on for years, and just got noticed because people now have camera's and phones capturing what's going on so it can't be denied.

 

There is a totally different world between white males and the rest of us in this country. Maybe if more people on both sides acknowledged that we could get a real dialogue.

 

And it amazes me as to the attacks on the democrats when no one wants to ask themselves why the GOP picked a man who can't beat the seemingly unelectable democrat. There were a zillion other GOPers running against trump including allegedly normal Kasich, and Trump got the nomination

He is a white male, but white men exist too.  I am not saying I agree with everything he says (although deporting murder gangs sounds pretty ok to me) but white men are allowed their point of view too and it is real.   And all these little things start to form a narrative.   Trump speaks to this guy, and he is a college educated white guy who isn't a religious zealot, isn't into guns, has no problem with gay rights or being friendly with people of color...he just has a world view Hillary does not seek to address.  

Obama has deported a lot of criminals though.  That fact tends to get lost in the shuffle.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661

Edited October 31, 20169 yr by Juliajms

Trump has bled but he never recovers, not fully. That's why Hillary remains well ahead in most polling. That's why the latest polling today has her way up, and that's why most of America (again, according to national polling) sees him as a nutjob who can't be allowed to be president - listening to Ann Coulter is insane. Pretending he can be normalized is a fantasy that's been dead for months, as is the insane idea that somehow Sanders would've done better. The numbers speak for themselves. Hopefully people will retire this [!@#$%^&*] when Hillary wins with a commanding lead, but I'm sure I'll hear 'oh, but she could've done better.'

And BTW, people had heard of Obama well before 2008.

Can we also expel these Oregon militia and those of their ilk who break the law and believe they are in the right? (oops did I say 'right'?). 

And can we please acknowledge that there are Timothy McVeighs, not just 'Islamic terrorists' lurking in this country? There's been little to no coverage of the Kansas terrorists, whose plans were every bit as malicious as others who profess their belief in Islam... why is that?

 

As for education level, we know that the majority of Trump's followers are either Whites who are over 60 and those who are younger have a High School diploma or less. Those who are college educated are in the minority of Trump followers and they have been polled to be quite intolerant. 'Don't mind gays or minorities' is far from comforting to so-called minorities (who, like or not, America...will soon be the majority) or gays.  It's like saying the slavemasters didn't mind raping their slaves. It has nothing to do with the course of equal rights or fair justice. Frankly, it doesn't mean a hill of beans to this minority.

 

Yes, I am judging Trump supporters because it speaks to who they are in their heart of hearts. Trump's father Fred was aligned with the KKK (he was found to be at least one of their rallies where mayhem broke loose, where he was arrested; also Fred Trump was known to do business with Klansmen).  Trump himself has made statements that have shown him to be a racist, sexist, xenophobe and there's no denying it.

 

So to me, Trump supporters have no problem supporting a man who not only has a racist, sexist, xenophobic worldview, they are willing to overlook the fact that he has swindled people and is in thousands of litigation cases- one of them an upcoming rape trial.

 

So yeah, me and a Trump supporter would never be friends. I would probably have to 'tolerate' them as well.

Incidentally: The new polling today also shows no change in Hillary's lead since Comeygate.

 

Wow, even Glenn Beck knows a good pile-on when he sees it.

 

And now, someone is back:

 

 

Edited October 31, 20169 yr by Vee

10 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Can we also expel these Oregon militia and those of their ilk who break the law and believe they are in the right? (oops did I say 'right'?). 

 

Where would we expel them to? No one is obligated to take our trash.

Just now, Juliajms said:

Where would we expel them to? No one is obligated to take our trash.

 

Mars maybe? LOL. 

11 minutes ago, Vee said:

Incidentally: The new polling today also shows no change in Hillary's lead since Comeygate.

 

Wow, even Glenn Beck knows a good pile-on when he sees it.

 

And now, someone is back:

 

 

 

Effective. Whatever agency is performing strategy and story for these ads, is doing such a great job! They haven't missed a beat.

I met my first Trump supporters out in the wild this morning. An older American tourist couple on the train were basically shouting about how great is he and that he's going to turn America around (this was when they weren't complaining about why they couldn't find a Starbucks and their dismay at there being a lot of African and Asian immigrants in Sydney since they thought Australia was "all white"). The husband then started going off about how Hillary is  like Hitler and that they're moving to Canada if she wins (everyone who can hear them snickers). 

 

The whole thing just left me sad. The world already has such a negative view of America and Americans in a lot of ways and this business with Trump really isn't helping. I'm not proud of some of the comments I heard from some of fellow Australians when the Americans got finally off the train but I have to assume that's the way a lot of people around the world are feeling while watching the clusterfuck. I know I personally feel embarrassed and just kind of dumbfounded.

LMAO Hillary like Hitler, they had to be smoking something wacky that's for sure. Most people who support Trump are racist, sad to say.

I don't think the Canadian's would want their racist asses either lol. They have offered jobs and whatnot to people if Trump wins though lol

2 hours ago, quartermainefan said:

He is a white male, but white men exist too.  I am not saying I agree with everything he says (although deporting murder gangs sounds pretty ok to me) but white men are allowed their point of view too and it is real.   And all these little things start to form a narrative.   Trump speaks to this guy, and he is a college educated white guy who isn't a religious zealot, isn't into guns, has no problem with gay rights or being friendly with people of color...he just has a world view Hillary does not seek to address.  

So he's wealthy and doesn't want the tax increases for people over $250K most likely. As for gang problems, I live in Chicago so no one needs to explain to me about gang problems and gang colors and emblems and such. But who is against sending illegals back and how does he even know the gang members are illegals? Most illegals here are working for companies who the Feds no longer go after for employing illegals thanks to St. Ronald Reagan via 1986.. And under Obama there have been more illegals deported over his tenure than those coming in. As for mftg jobs, what's the plan in bringing them back. The person saying this makes all his own products, supplies his hotels with products made outside the US. But the biggest fallacy is that more mftg jobs have been lost to robotics and advanced technology than have left the US. So what's Trump going to do about those. I expect someone who's white and college educated to at least make an attempt to know these things to know it's a pipe dream by a known liar. And if this person has daughters, I'd think he'd be concerned about the sexism and misogyny that seems to be unleashed with this candidate. But other than the tax issue, none of this seems to impact him directly so of course it doesn't matter. And a white college educated wealthy male isn't  going to be the one who will suffer. It will be the same white working class people plus many more women and minorities, the same people who are suffering now. Let's just be honest. Someone like this was never going to go anti GOP no matter what. Not a criticism just a fact. Actually I take that back. My brother fits this profile to a T but he has 3 granddaughters and doesn't want them growing up in a world where they matter less.

What exactly are "murder gangs"?

 

56 minutes ago, dragonflies said:

LMAO Hillary like Hitler, they had to be smoking something wacky that's for sure. Most people who support Trump are racist, sad to say.

I don't think the Canadian's would want their racist asses either lol. They have offered jobs and whatnot to people if Trump wins though lol

 

I hate to generalise people but yes, I've sort of come to that realisation. I know heaps claim to not be racist but by openly voting for and endorsing him, you're at the very least saying you're okay with his racist views (not to mention that he's also a sexist, xenophobe, homophobe, misogynist, and idiot).

 

No, Canda won't want Trump and his kind. No one outside of the Putin loyalists in Russia and the Le Pen loyalists in France will want them. 

Edited October 31, 20169 yr by AdelaideCate007