A spade is a spade, let's not sugar coat it and accuse Hillary of being wrong or elitist for saying what we all know. Trump has attracted David Duke and most of the white nationalist bloc to his campaign, all of which are deplorable people. These people shout racist slurs and call for violence at rallies, which is deplorable. No one should walk on eggshells to preserve these people's feelings. Anyone offended by this comment was never going to vote for Clinton and was already backing Trump. The votes Clinton needs are not from racist whites.

If you are worried about the feelings of racists, then you should be voting for Trump. These people are not going to change or like you if you coddle them.

I don't think anyone is worried or thinks HRC wanted those votes nor does anyone want her to want them. And what she said was right but the question becomes how do people outside this fringe element react to what she said. I am a supporter of hers and while in some ways I praise it, saying it at a fundraiser with a bunch of Hollywood liberal elites is not the place. While the gist of what she said is not the same and is certainly not the same volume, it reeks of Romney's 47% comment. I know some don't want to see that, but that is the overall impression left.

Romney spoke to a closed fundraiser where he thought the public wouldn't hear the comment, but someone secretly recorded him. The same is not true for Hillary, as she said it and knew she would be heard. No one outside of the fringe element is reacting to this, because it is clear exactly who was talking about. She specifically mentioned racists, xenophobes, etc. What she wants is to get suburban whites in her column and to drive minority turnout.

Well if that's her motivation I praise it. I said already she gave a fantastic speech a few weeks back in Nevada talking about the radical fringe and it barely got play. This is certainly getting attention. It's more of the narrative the media chooses to go with and knowing the media it will be the typical Hillary bashing.

She could have got the exact same point across without calling a large portion of the people she hopes to lead deplorable. Calling 50% of Trump's supporters various isims was off the wall.  White supremacists scare the hell out of me because I spend several days a week at the Jewish Community Center with my baby. Several people were shot at the JCC in Kansas City (4 hours from me) just a couple of years ago.

 

That doesn't change the fact that I do feel sorry for some of them. Many of them were raised in poverty, hate and ignorance since childhood. They never stood a chance. The person who is leading us should get that.  She can call their ideas deplorable. She can call any actions they take deplorable. Beyond that I want the person who is leading us to bring us together, not throw insults. I get enough of that Trump.  This white suburban woman was not impressed.  The worst part was the way she laughed after she said. Ugh.

But whatever. I've always know that she's an elitist and there is literally nothing she could do or say that would lose my vote. She could have been running a silk road on that damn private server and I'd still vote for her.

@JaneAusten,  Giuliani has always been reprehensible, IMO. I remember once after he dumped his first wife Donna Hanover after cheating on her, one of his kids called him a jerk. 

 

Most people of color who lived in NYC felt somewhat unsafe with Giuliani as mayor. Chris Rock once joked that he felt as if he could be shot by police just taking out the garbage in front of his Brooklyn brownstone (before he moved to New Jersey) and with Giuliani as mayor, it would've been ruled as justifiable. Not too far from what a lot of us who lived in NYC at the time thought.

 

You probably already saw it, but a page or two ago I linked to a Politico article from someone who talks at length about how terrible he was as mayor and how unsafe he made the city for black people.

 

 

I didn't read it but I sure as hell lived it!

Edited September 10, 20169 yr by DramatistDreamer

Whoever came up with Basket of Deplorables, that's such a catchy catchphrase. Genius!

Basket of Deplorables is a good phrase and I have to think that this was strategically planned out. That aside, what is far more concerning is that Trump stating that he would take military action over hand gestures.

Edited September 10, 20169 yr by ReddFoxx

Here's an official statement from Hillary from earlier today:

 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsAvSKnW8AASGOw.jpg:large

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/04/us/politics/donald-trump-supporters.html?_r=0

“Kill her.”

“Trump that bitch!”

“Build a wall — kill them all.”

That seems deplorable to me. This didn't happen in 2012, 2008, 2004 and even before that. This is a not a normal election.

 

Here's an official statement from Hillary from earlier today:

 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsAvSKnW8AASGOw.jpg:large

I agree that she shouldn't have said that half his supporters are deplorable.  I think that was overstating their numbers. 

 

I knew there would be some kind of walk back but that isn't as bad as I imagined.

She could have got the exact same point across without calling a large portion of the people she hopes to lead deplorable. Calling 50% of Trump's supporters various isims was off the wall.  White supremacists scare the hell out of me because I spend several days a week at the Jewish Community Center with my baby. Several people were shot at the JCC in Kansas City (4 hours from me) just a couple of years ago.

 

That doesn't change the fact that I do feel sorry for some of them. Many of them were raised in poverty, hate and ignorance since childhood. They never stood a chance. The person who is leading us should get that.  She can call their ideas deplorable. She can call any actions they take deplorable. Beyond that I want the person who is leading us to bring us together, not throw insults. I get enough of that Trump.  This white suburban woman was not impressed.  The worst part was the way she laughed after she said. Ugh.

But whatever. I've always know that she's an elitist and there is literally nothing she could do or say that would lose my vote. She could have been running a silk road on that damn private server and I'd still vote for her.

ICAM.  I just saw on the news that she's apologized, although I wish she never said it in the first place.  The name calling should stay with the Trumpublicans.  

Some right wing PAC will roll this out in an ad very soon.  She'll never be able to escape it.  

 So Greg Sargent, blogger with WaPo just posted on twitter that apparently in an interview with Michael Smerconish, Tom Ridge, former Republican Govenor of Pennsylvania and head of Homeland Security, just told him Pennsylvania is no longer in play for Trump. I asked him why and he responded back and suggested reading this. So I guess those white suburban moms really don't like Trump.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/09/08/liar-narcissist-racist-these-suburban-women-really-really-dont-like-trump/?utm_term=.4cdaa1710c1e

I guess the biggest challenge is in the Philly and Pittsburgh suburbs. So I doubt Hillary's elitist gaffe (right as she might have been) will sway them in Trump's direction.

 

The split piece is interesting. It bought support for Toomey I guess since he didn't endorse Trump. It also might explain why Elizabeth Warren has been on a few campaign stops the past couple of weeks with Kate McGinty the democratic senate candidate.

Edited September 10, 20169 yr by JaneAusten

I love her response. Glad she didn't really walk it back.

I've been kind of surprised at the muted (at least from what I expected) reaction to Hillary's comment so far. I expected far more outrage than I'm seeing.

I've been kind of surprised at the muted (at least from what I expected) reaction to Hillary's comment so far. I expected far more outrage than I'm seeing.

I imagine as it's the weekend there will be a slow build but we'll get the huffing and puffing soon enough. In a just world there should be no outrage, because Trump has said a hell of a lot worse for a year now and it has been painted as honesty and truthtelling. Seeing his camp demand apologies just points out again what hypocrites they all are.

I think it was actually a masterstroke, because not only does it overshadow Trump and change the conversation - with the press already actively tilting away from emails (beginning with the Washington Post editorial board) after Lauer's performance shamed them all - but it also makes everyone discuss and re-discuss Trump's base, the racism, etc. There's a lot of clucking but very little disagreement, except from the Breitbart/Fox News crowd.

 

It's an issue no one can avoid anymore, and IMO she was smart not to apologize or back away from that. It puts the onus on Trump and his people. She's owned the news cycle and the press is taking her frame of the story. This is not going to turn on her; if it was going to it would've done so in the first 24 hours. Notice, most of the big editorials, thinkpieces, etc. are all about 'she's right'.

Edited September 11, 20169 yr by Vee

Another lovely Trump supporter. Get her a job on CNN - they'll lap it up.

 

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/crazed-trumper-assaults-muslim-women-in-brooklyn