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Trump lies about everything. He even claimed that he told the RNC to have their convention in Ohio even though the site was selected long before he declared his candidacy. At this point, I think a cognitive exam is necessary because I suspect he's dealing with the onset of dementia. If he is, the stress of the next few months will only make it worse. Unfortunately, there's no way to force him to seek medical help.

That's a generous perspective. I think he's such a narcissist he thinks he can make reality what he wants it to be or at least convince the public that reality is what he says it is.  Thank god, it looks like you're right and HRC is going to win, but I find it deeply disturbing that he's pulling the wool over so many people's eyes.

 

One very positive thing about HRC winning is that she's getting the last laugh on all of the people who tried to force her into a traditional first lady role years ago. Remember when she made that crack about not staying home and baking cookies? Not long after that she was basically forced to drop her maiden name. I think she even went on some morning show and baked cookies to mitigate the backlash, if I'm remembering right.  I hope she says a little silent f*ck you to those people when she takes office. I give her lots of credit for staying the course and making it happen.

 

She actually first dropped her maiden name in 1982,  when Bill ran for Governor of Arkansas again, after losing his reelection bid in 1980--she had been known publicly as Hillary Rodham up to that point. In a way, she actually gained it back later on, as she's officially Hillary Rodham Clinton in her governmental titles, even if most people just call her Hillary Clinton now. 

Meanwhile, Anne Holton, her running mate Tim Kaine's wife, has ALWAYS been known by her maiden name in public*, both in Virginia and now nationwide. Oh, the irony! :lol: 

*Granted, her father being a former Governor of Virginia himself might help her out in that case.

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Are people just now questioning Trump's mental and emotional stability??  I guess, what, 15-20 years of making irresponsible, sometimes dangerous off the cuff pronouncements without supposition of accompanying facts weren't enough to make media, GOP party leaders and primary voters think twice and maybe look deeper at his disturbing history?

Hm.

 

Can't decide whether this guy running against Paul Ryan in the Wisconsin primary is an opportunistic troll of the highest order or a nutter like Trump.

 

Paul Ryan’s Rival, a Long Shot, Tries to Gain an Edge From Donald Trump’s Praise

 

 

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The daily tracking polls often favor Trump. I can't remember if they favored Romney. 

 

The media wants him to win so that will always be a factor too.

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What lies has Hillary Clinton told? I'm still trying to figure that out. These phantom tales of her lying are backed up by nothing.

Have you been watching the news? Don Lemon (and he's certainly not biased against her) just had clips of Hillary speaking and then the FBI coming right in and contradicting her line for line. She lied about not having classified emails on her server. She also lied about the FBI backing her up on not having classified emails on her server. That's just this week. The Clinton's both have a very long history of lying. I'm not going to pretend the emperor is wearing clothes just because I agree with them politically.

I have......I also watched it when 22 million emails were deleted during the Bush Admin. and not one word was reported about that. 

I'm not sure what that has to do with HRC's credibility. Because the Bush administration did dirty things everyone else gets a free pass? :unsure:

and the Bus Admin. started a war based on lies THEY told and how many US soldiers came home maimed or dead? how many Iraqi civilians were killed based off these lies? but you have decided, as do most, to completely ignore that because you have this hate on for HRC. I don't care for her too much myself...but voting for her is like taking the chance Anakin will not turn to the dark side over Trump who is the damn Emperor of the Galactic Empire. but people see what they want to see...and I will not argue facts against emotions or hatred. so..enjoy. LOL

What on Earth are you talking about? I don't hate HRC. I happen to adore Bill Clinton for that matter (he's still a shameless liar). The fact that you would say that is so far out there, I can't even comprehend it. It's laughable that you are saying I'm the emotional one in this discussion.  Just because I don't put blinders on does not mean I hate the woman, far from it. On a personal level I like her.  That doesn't mean I think she has been honest over the years. Of course, I'm voting for her. Trump is a monster.  I've never voted for a Republican and I doubt I ever will in this lifetime.

 

Preaching to me about Bush makes no sense because he's not running. All of the awful things he did has no bearing about the culture of dishonesty that surrounded the first Clinton administration or HRC's credibility. Sorry, but I'm not really looking forward to a retread of the days when the definition of terms like "sexual relations" are in dispute. Not after being spoiled by having an ethical leader for the last 8 years.

you don't want to retread the past and yet you bring up HRC's past? 

The daily tracking polls often favor Trump. I can't remember if they favored Romney. 

 

The media wants him to win so that will always be a factor too.

I think the TV MSM wants to just keep it close so viewership will stay up. both networks (I don't count FN) did the same thing with Romney and McCain. They will find whatever polls they can find to show that the gap is tightening....plus I don't know why people rely on polls in the first place. 

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The daily tracking polls often favor Trump. I can't remember if they favored Romney

The media wants him to win so that will always be a factor too.

I think the TV MSM wants to just keep it close so viewership will stay up. both networks (I don't count FN) did the same thing with Romney and McCain. They will find whatever polls they can find to show that the gap is tightening....plus I don't know why people rely on polls in the first place. 

Oh I don't think polls mean much at this stage but I am just waiting for someone in the MSM to jump on this and claim it's due to Trump acting more "Presidential" the past 3 days and Hillary again slipping up, when any viable assessment as to these so called actions would really take more than a few hours  to even assess. I'm quite sure we really haven't seen the real impact of the Kahn situation, because it raises a lot more concerns than the MSM would like the public to believe, things I think that will become even more important the closer the election gets.

 

I remember reading after the election in 2012 a post election  debrief done by I believe the NYT. Trying to understand why the election results were far broader than expected, varying significantly off poll numbers and why. And there really was no clear answer other than validating the viability  or lack of viability of poll numbers. What they did talk about was Obama's campaign team and why there were so confident they were going to win and win by as large a number as they actually did. It all tied back to the "boys in the basement" they called them(their crack technical team), who worked 24 hours a day, and were able to tell Obama's team where every single vote they were getting was from. I am going to assume Hillary's campaign has the same infrastructure in place. Trump's team I have no idea.

 

I know voter turnout is actually going to be significant again and I go back to the fact that the GOP knew from 2012 they had to start looking at ways to diversify the party for having a viable chance to win the white house again, and they haven't addressed that at all.  And with the 2020 census likely showing a greater demographic shift than even projected, I'd say they have a long way to go.

 

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Did Hillary say yesterday her mind short circuited or she short circuited the truth? Because one sounds like she got confused and the other sounds like she misspoke... Tbh, I don't think misspoke is the right word... Maybe "I wasn't clear" works better.

 

In any case, I see Trump is back on Twitter calling her unfit and dangerous because of this. So I guess he's allowed to say stupid things but not her? Or say something, only to take it back? But not her? 

 

I don't really know what she can say about the emails at this point. Maybe direct people to Cartwright/Comey video and focus on real issues... Any kind of explanation at all or apology is going to hurt her. 

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I just keep remembering 2012 when the media was fapping itself over how close they thought the election would be. I remember NPR doing a whole piece on "What if this is 2000 all over again?" piece talking about how we might not know until the next day and how would recounts be done differently now, blah, blah, blah and then Obama had that [!@#$%^&*] in the can by like 10 PM Eastern. I do wonder if as we get farther away from the landline age, polling is just going to be less predictive.

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I just keep remembering 2012 when the media was fapping itself over how close they thought the election would be. I remember NPR doing a whole piece on "What if this is 2000 all over again?" piece talking about how we might not know until the next day and how would recounts be done differently now, blah, blah, blah and then Obama had that [!@#$%^&*] in the can by like 10 PM Eastern. I do wonder if as we get farther away from the landline age, polling is just going to be less predictive.

The media is so desperate for narratives, so they can feel intelligent and important. One that I hate is when they go scrounge around for Obama voters who are now voting Trump. It's one that gets attention and helps push the story they want (that Trump is an "outsider" and "man of the people") and ignores that most Obama voters would never go anywhere near him.

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There is a lengthy open letter written by one of Trump's former lawyers that was published in the Huffington Post in which he states at length, why no one in their right mind should even consider voting for Trump.  #1 Reason: He lies all the time.

 

We all pretty much know what's wrong with Trump so I didn't feel the need to post this article but I will say the open letter states all the reasons very succinctly and in detail why Trump would make a terrible president. And the lawyer, dealing with Trump since back in 1987 provides examples to demonstrate that Trump lacks the most basic of integrity.  It will remind all but the most willfully blind Trump-stans how distasteful this man truly is.

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CNN is hosting a panel of Trump supporters to discuss media bias tomorrow...When is a network going to discuss the independent studies (one from Harvard) that revealed that Clinton received the most negative coverage in the primaries and leading up to her nomination?

 

Would be nice if people could discuss her views instead of Benghazi and the emails...

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CNN is hosting a panel of Trump supporters to discuss media bias tomorrow...When is a network going to discuss the independent studies (one from Harvard) that revealed that Clinton received the most negative coverage in the primaries and leading up to her nomination?

 

Would be nice if people could discuss her views instead of Benghazi and the emails...

Jeff Zucker wants Trump to win. He even hired a man who is basically still working for the Trump campaign. That network is craven beyond belief.

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I think this will backfire on Zucker and CNN, makes it look like he/CNN is in Trump's back pocket. People will have even less regard for CNN, those people who actually still have any regard for CNN and cable news, that is.

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