The Politics Thread

[Vee]

A study in contrasting Sundays:

 

 

[marceline]

I'll always remember an interview Joe did shortly after he declared where he talked about Beau and said, "Beau should be the one running for president right now, not me." It was such a gut punch because it made me realize how much Joe was looking forward to seeing what his son would accomplish and how that wound can never fully heal.

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[OzFrog]

Just because I know you love this stuff @Khan 

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[amybrickwallace]

 

That's one of the reasons my own mother doesn't like her. Of course, it's a double standard - people didn't react much with the many sexual escapades of the MEN in elected office throughout history. The other reason my mom doesn't like Kamala Harris is because she sees her as a flaming liberal, like AOC and others and thinks the country will fall into socialism. I don't want the country to fall into socialism, either, but I also don't want it to become an autocracy. 

[Taoboi]

Sorry to hear the sad news @Juliajms. My condolences. 

[DRW50]

Going through that AOC interview was difficult. She sounded extremely wounded and was lashing out, not helped by that conference call with Abigail Spanberger going after the left being leaked a few days ago. The interview also led to a spat with Conor Lamb (PA Congressman) and his people. I think AOC never quite has known how to handle the fame thrown at her or the harsh realities of legislating, especially in current DC/America. And for all the taunting of some on Rose Twitter about the incredible success of socialist Dems in Congress, this election really shut the door on them having any ability to do anything, not to mention Democrats will have a difficult time keeping the House in 2022. I get the feeling AOC wants to go but doesn't want to fully say it yet. She probably will sometime next year. 

 

Given Ilhan Omar's difficult background, I am not surprised that she seems to be more adept at navigating this environment than AOC. It's a shame that Omar is, IMO, a big grifter, because she probably did play a key role in helping Biden with Minnesota. 

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There's a world of hurt headed AOC's way over the next few weeks. Abagail Spanaberger finally said out loud what so many of us think, which is that the far left costs us more than they get us. AOC's already acting out on Twitter against Democrats and the Lincoln Project and she's about to get checked hard especially by Black Twitter.

[Taoboi]

No...he doesn't.

 

And le sigh. Not surprised by the police chief in Arkansas AT ALL. Would love to move my mother out of there sometimes. 

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She's going to go whether she wants to or not because her district will be redrawn. It's the same thing that happened to Dennis Kucinich. He was my rep and a good one for a long time. Then he climbed up his own ass and started chasing the spotlight and other Democrats decided he wasn't worth the trouble.

[BetterForgotten]

AOC is just so damn entitled for someone who hasn’t accomplished that much. She just craves constant attention, and IMO, she’s not worth any of it.

[Vee]

I think AOC should've waited a few days before unloading like that to the Times and blowing off steam from a volatile week. It was stupid. For me, the fact is both sides of the party need each other and need to work their districts in a mix of different ways. A lot of what she says in that interview is correct IMO, but it's also real that Spanberger and the moderates have valid concerns and issues. What works for, say, Spanberger's constituency on messaging will not work for AOC's, and vice versa. It's reality that certain words are poison to a lot of our more moderate voter base. But some of the techniques AOC and co. have applied locally can work in redder/purple states too. I am very tired of hearing how we need to always kowtow to the scared moderates, but I am also very tired of the left flank giving the Beltway ammo for Dems in Disarray at every turn and not accepting that different states have different audiences and needs. That's what shít like this does.

 

That's as far as I take this whole thing, and that's as far as I think it'll go tbh. Do I believe she'll quit - no. Unlike some others, AOC is usually shrewd enough to know that she needs to work with the party heads. Unlike Omar who subtweeted her way through it and dogged Warren, AOC was out there putting down the Bernie or death flank in March and telling them to get on track with the party and face the reality of incremental progress. I appreciated that. So I suspect she'll cool off, Pelosi will come collect her again, there will be more Happy Family House photo ops in the next 2-3 weeks and we'll get to work. YMMV. If she digs deeper, I'll check her then.

Edited November 8, 2020 by Vee

[amybrickwallace]

Also, @Juliajms, I am sorry for your loss. I know all too well how that kind of loss feels.

 

I'm disappointed that my family voted for Trump - knowing who and what he is (and isn't). I never even told them I voted for Biden. I just told them that I was not voting for Trump. Besides the fact that his personality is a major turnoff, he looked the other way during this pandemic and he separated migrant families and would not denounce racism - a major part of why I dislike him so much is the way he treats women. When I started therapy after being sexually abused (Trump was already in office by then), I vowed never to waste my vote on a man who would do and say the things to women that he does. So, I see Joe Biden's triumph a win for women as well. ☺