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Meanwhile, Trump just panicked (again) - told Lester Holt Comey told him he wasn't under investigation, and that he was going to fire Comey anyway regardless. This destroys his fake pretext, in addition to being another batch of lies.

 

 

 

Also during this interview - I can't believe I am saying this - Trump took credit for inventing the expression "prime the pump". 

 

Irate, Joe Scarborough called into MSNBC to again call Trump a liar and a fool, which to be fair is all true. This is happening very fast, y'all.

 

From Time, this ugly expose: Donald Trump After Hours

 

 

Charles Pierce has a go.

 

An absolutely deranged interview with DT from The Economist. And Matthew Yglesias' dissection of it.

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I believe he will leave office early I'm just not sure if it's going to be impeachment, arrest, resignation and fleeing the country, or a body bag. My personal preference would be arrest on RICO charges. That would mean asset forfeiture which oddly enough the FBI tweeted about right around the time the raid started.

 

 

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Of course, I want to believe it, LOL. 

 

It's just that the people who believe that Pence will be worse-- all I can say is, that's why it's especially important that as many of these recalcitrant GOPers in Congress be voted out.  That's regardless of whether Trump can survive the term or not.

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Uh, I completely believe it and have said it all along. It's claiming Pence is the same or worse that gets me. Trump is a noxious blowhard but has coasted by on the illusion of charisma and bluster for decades. Pence has the charisma of a wood tick, has zero bluster and cannot get himself elected to national office - all things that are anathema to long-term survival in Washington. The media may prop him up a bit if it comes to that to keep the country afloat in the immediate wake of this disaster with Trump, but as a standing president? He doesn't have a prayer on his own and when election time comes around they won't be trying to help him. Because Pence is neither charismatic nor exciting nor capable. They've never had the love affair with Pence they've had with others; the only attempt to burnish his credentials was last year, when it seemed like he might moderate Trump or help him pivot to becoming human and respectable. He was a talisman for Trump, a symbol, an accessory, but he didn't do it. He was never anything on his own.

 

Bottom line: We can handle Pence.

 

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Also the narrative of Pence as innocent in all this has been destroyed. He's as complicit and compromised as everyone else. Even if he survives this - which is becoming a bigger "if" by the day - he's going to be kneecapped. If the IC and FBI are as hungry for blood as they seem to be, we might very well end up with President Hatch.

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exactly...that's why I agree with others who say Pence is just as bad as Trump...and worse than Trump in some ways because even though Trump is a fool, Pence is jst outright dangerous with his neo-christian beliefs....which I feel he will try to wrap legislation around them if/when he becomes POTUS

The best way? kneecap them both. Ryan is gutless and can be handled with ease. well, easier than the two fools in charge now. 

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