Yes, I agree.

But there was actually a masterpiece of a thing on this show that demonstrates just how far Y&R has come.

Everything between Amber and Daniel ADVANCED NO PLOT PURPOSE WHATSOEVER. There was not an IOTA of plot in their scenes.

The scenes had two functions: [A] To further develop Amber's character, and show the legitimacy of her grief for Kay...and the fundamental loneliness that has defined her since her B&B days, and To show the deepening and strengthening and sincerity of Amber and Daniel's love.

Imagine! Soap scenes RIGHT out of Tom Casiello's playbook!! Scenes that weren't filled with a throwaway "C" story, but with character advancement. I am impressed.

I'm talking about the Tuesday US show as being a filler episode since only 15 minutes was not a re-treading waste of time. Do they have someone new doing the wardrobe because Jill's suit tomorrow is stunning, as was the grey shirt Nikki was wearing at the will reading, Kay's burial outfit and even Gloria is looking a little less trashy while still being in character.

I didn't mind Monday's episode and agree about Amber. When she joined Y&R, I was spitting mad but she's actually turned into the only one in that female age group, aside from Jana, I enjoy watching.

Been watching Y&R pretty much all my life, I'm almost 30. My mother has watched the entire show and filled me in on Katherine's history. I love grey characters, my problem is that it is always written like Katherine was a wonderful and decent woman and all her sins are erased because she's old and rich. It would be funny if Amber published her book, in which she admitted to kidnapping, and as soon as she is found Heather can prosecute her for it.

Aside from the mega feud with Jill...Katherine has been a wonderful and decent woman...being of a certain age and rich helps! Can you not see why Kay did everything she did to Jill (neither one of them is an angel, they need each other, love them both)?

Why someone feisty?

Feisty is my word for attitude, intelligence and spark. And to Daytime Fan whom suggested Vivica - right on the money sister! I envision Yolonda to come back fully rehabbed and glammed up. For those of you who remmeber Good Times (oh how I loved that show) - Penny (played by Janet Jackson) was abused by her mom and put in the care of a good neighbor - Vilona (I don't know the spelling of her name) and after taking care of her her birth mother came back with a new hubby and was rich and had this nefarious plan to get custody of Penny. I want to see Yolonda come back clean and rich and with an axe to grind. That's really all the Winters need to get their story juiced is some actual conflict and an antagonist. The writers have set this up very well (although boringly).

Oh and DaytimeFan - if they make Yolanda a 13 week stunt i really think viv would do it.

Feisty is my word for attitude, intelligence and spark. And to Daytime Fan whom suggested Vivica - right on the money sister! I envision Yolonda to come back fully rehabbed and glammed up. For those of you who remmeber Good Times (oh how I loved that show) - Penny (played by Janet Jackson) was abused by her mom and put in the care of a good neighbor - Vilona (I don't know the spelling of her name) and after taking care of her her birth mother came back with a new hubby and was rich and had this nefarious plan to get custody of Penny. I want to see Yolonda come back clean and rich and with an axe to grind. That's really all the Winters need to get their story juiced is some actual conflict and an antagonist. The writers have set this up very well (although boringly).

Oh and DaytimeFan - if they make Yolanda a 13 week stunt i really think viv would do it.

I think if the money was right, Vivica A Fox would do it for a loooong time. She likes to work and she's reliably good.

Loving the Nikki/Jill dynamic. "Get a life!" Nikki should have slugged her.

LOVING Nikki's funky black coat with sparkles in it.

Hating Gloria. Sorry, I just do not by this woman or character as an amzing business woman, stockholder, whatever. I am sick of the Fishers. They are the John McBains of Y&R.

This Kay at the diner thing can go on forever as far as I am concerned. I feel like Bill Bell is writing this.

Why can't I feel this Anna storyline? Tyra leaves me cold. I am really enjoying Olivia though.

Why can't I feel this Anna storyline? Tyra leaves me cold. I am really enjoying Olivia though.

See, I wasn't buying Neil's reaction in the SL. Karen kind of had to kick him in the ass and say "What would Drucilla do? She's fight to the end! So let's do it!"

I am intrigued to see if Crackanda does show up -- and why she wants Ana back all of a damn sudden.

I am so ready to see Gloria's dreams of wealth and power crumble around her. Especially after the way she threw over Lowell. Hopefully GhostJohn has seen what she's really like and will stop yapping at Jack about what a great person Gloria is and how she needs to inherit all the Abbott money, etc.

I am intrigued to see if Crackanda does show up -- and why she wants Ana back all of a damn sudden.

She probably wants her back to pimp her out for crack money.

Olivia looks fit to be a school marm, complete with the dull as dishwater shoes.

Edited December 2, 200817 yr by BadZoe

For anyone who watched the CA one for today

did we see the new Eden

Jill is a mess. Loved her telling Nikki to get a life. LOVED the way she tried to go after Gloria. She would've tore that woman to shreds.

Loving the Nikki/Jill dynamic. "Get a life!" Nikki should have slugged her.

I almost want LML's bitchtastic Nikki to come out and snatch Jill's hair out by the roots. Yes, Jill is Katherine's daughter, but she forgets the 30 years (prior to learning that fact) that she treated Katherine like shite.

For anyone who watched the CA one for today

did we see the new Eden

And was she any less nauseating?

Edited December 3, 200817 yr by y&r_fan

OK...so the Jabot shareholders meeting was FABULOUS!

OK...so the Jabot shareholders meeting was FABULOUS!

I was watching the clock the entire time- I was like "no, 5 minutes left!"

I just loved pimptastic Jack at the bar...Gloria was at her best- scheming, wrong, and yet I hate Jill more. Could Billy be in Genoa at a better time?

OK...so the Jabot shareholders meeting was FABULOUS!

Indeed. So much better than Dorian's takeover of BE on OLTL. Better-staged, better-paced, better-acted.

She probably wants her back to pimp her out for crack money.

Olivia looks fit to be a school marm, complete with the dull as dishwater shoes.

They just need to give her a better angle. I can handle her trying to hold onto her family- but that doesn't necessarily mean Tyra- who's reading a bit green for me in today's scenes. But still good.