Great episode today!! Spoilers for those that did not watch yet today's episode!!!

 

 

I am shocked that Nish and Suki already had their confrontation!! It was intense to watch. Nish is really a sick posessive maniac, who truly thinks that Suki will love him after he admitted her got rid of a person she loves. 

I was annoyed that things moved so fast that police already found witnesses and blood in Ravi's car. And did Ravi snitch on Nish, so that is why they arresred him too?

Vinny is such a pathetic loser, blaming everything on Suki. 

Now unfortunately my theory of Suki killing Nish has fallen through. I mean, with Eve back how can Nish and Ravi be set free? So Nish cannot be the victim...

The only truth left is Keanu kidnapping Albie. But I just don't believe Sharon is the killer. She literally moves in to check the pulse. She is very calm and collected, so she did not do it. 

Maybe it really is Dean. Or Jack.. 

I am excited to see this play out in a couple of episodes!! I hope it is not something lame 

It is really icky how they are pushing Gina and Dean together and how she feels bad for him just because she had a 10 minute conversation with his sick daughter, whom she saw for the first time in her life.

On 12/19/2023 at 3:19 AM, Manny said:

Hm, interesting. It didn't feel like the show was stalled, at least not in the second part of the year that I watched. Lots of stuff happened which is leading to the Christmas murder(s).. 

 

Agreed.

 

Excited about tonights episode hopefully I won’t have to wait too pong for the BritBox upload.

1 hour ago, detroitpiston said:

Agreed.

 

Excited about tonights episode hopefully I won’t have to wait too pong for the BritBox upload.

Oh I am excited too!! Been a while since I have been so excited over a soap opera! lol Literally years...

Whatever happens, I hope they don't disappoint!!

Wow what an episode but the dead one wasn’t that surprising tbh

Loved the last fifteen minutes of the episode. I’m curious as to where it could all lead to in 2024. 

 

I wasn’t expecting that ending.

Many (on Twitter) are suspecting, Nish will get framed with Keanu's murder.

I can picture them doing that too, as Linda not coming clean that she saving Sharon from being strangled would be the least dramatic payoff.

It'll be a nod to when Zoe thought she killed Den (even though Chrissie really killed Den), and she/Sam/Chrissie kept the secret. 

I imagine the women will hold onto the secret until next Xmas where someone like Dean will stumble across the actual truth (throughout the year) and use it to taunt Linda. This'll allow the writers to play up on "poor Linda" even more. The women will go around the Square all next year swearing each other to secrecy as they feel tortured about the act. However, one of them will be the "enforcer" (a la Chrissie) trying to keep the truth under wraps.

Then I bet money that Dean will probably become a casualty throughout the year (as Matt DiAngelo typically doesn't stick around on EE too long). 

It'll all come ahead next Xmas where all will be exposed. Linda will probably go out in dramatic fashion and the other women will get slaps on the wrists.

Personally, I just hope they have Linda and Denise come clean that they attacked the two men to save their friends and move on. I don't know UK law, but both instances were self defense as they were saving their friends from being killed by their spouses. But this is EE and they gotta have something to make next Xmas dramatic. 

That aside, while I was a fan of the big Xmas episodes, it has become a joke at this point. I think the last time a Xmas episode had long impact on the show was Archie's death. 

It should be a running joke in "Walford" that the people expect doom and gloom on Xmas. They should all fear Xmas instead of eagerly awaiting it. 

I wish the UK soaps would stray from major catastrophes on Xmas as it has become hollow at this point. I get why they do it b/c it is a major ratings grab with everyone probably being home, but again, it is hollow at this point. 

But I am interested to hear what UK fans have to say as they more used to this than I have been. 

1 hour ago, cassadine1991 said:

I wasn’t expecting that ending.

SAME!

1 hour ago, NothinButAttitude said:

I imagine the women will hold onto the secret until next Xmas where someone like Dean will stumble across the actual truth (throughout the year) and use it to taunt Linda.

Don't forget, Dean is in the pub at the time of the murder, so it is very likely that he'll know the truth and use it against Linda.

1 hour ago, NothinButAttitude said:

Personally, I just hope they have Linda and Denise come clean that they attacked the two men to save their friends and move on.

I think the next part of the story is how long "the six" can stay together.  I imagine the next year will be filled with plots to motivate the women to turn on each other.

1 hour ago, NothinButAttitude said:

It should be a running joke in "Walford" that the people expect doom and gloom on Xmas. They should all fear Xmas instead of eagerly awaiting it. 

Certainly, it should the last day on which anyone should plan a wedding.  I mean, it is reasonable that in their universe they don't know when Super Soap Week episodes will air, but they should tell each other that a Christmas wedding is a recipe for disaster. 

Edited December 26, 20231 yr by j swift

My thoughts on this episode. It runs long so I'll just put it in spoiler space:

 

There were elements of this episode I enjoyed:

- Some of the performances.

- The shot of Sharon in her fur stole stepping out of the cab post-wedding.

- Bernadette's phone call with Mitch and Karen.

- Getting the reveal to Phil about Albie's paternity out of the way, even through the convenient overhear.

- Phil talking with Kat about struggling to see Albie as anything but a product of Sharon's affair. 

- The whole Cindy/George/Elaine segment, with Cindy coolly manipulating George under Elaine's and a pathetically oblivious Ian's nose. 

- Lola's video message. I know this has become a meme/extremely hated, but I did like this moment, it was a very sweet scene for Jay and Lexi, and they even managed to have her words play into Phil learning about Albie.

I think the rest of the episode depends on how much you love the Six storyline or how much you are gripped on the Panesars and the "Sukeve" relationship. Unfortunately, neither of those represent me. I am glad for those who loved this episode and love Clenshaw's vision for the show, I appreciate that my opinion is in the minority.

My main issues with this episode, and the story as a whole, boil down to this:

- So many of the plots that helped lead up to the Six as red herrings, like Stacey/Jack, or Rocky starting the fire, were borderline unwatchable to me, and continued to be so here. The "comedy" scene of Sonia blathering and dithering to Kathy like a discount Mavis Riley almost made me will Rocky into keeling over so at least I could say there was a justification.  And any time Stacey shouted at Jack about what a terrible man he is, her decision to ignore years of knowing he was like this for a one-night stand feels even more false. 

- There was the usual hoopla about how other soaps weren't going to compare to EE this year for Christmas, look out, etc. The other side of that is no other soaps, even those which are, frankly, [!@#$%^&*], decided to stop much of their show dead for months on end for the sake of one episode, as EE has done over and over and over since 2007. Even if this episode had been the best episode in the history of television, I would question whether the tradeoff is worth it. 

- I know that characters have to behave in certain ways to move the story along, and I know that Clenshaw's run in particular is extremely plot-driven, but I couldn't get past the scene with the Six assuring Suki that she should invite Nish to the pub because they could take care of him. That isn't a sisterhood, or girl power - it's the worst of idiot plotting, and I thought it was insulting to them and their legacy on the show. I refuse to believe that any of these women, who all know just how difficult it was to escape abuse, would have taken such an insane risk. And as if it that wasn't enough, we had to have Suki, who has spent episode after episode cowering in the corner because she knows how dangerous Nish is, turning her back on him at the worst possible time. I don't buy it. 

- Not to be hyperbolic, but, honestly, I find the lip service paid to strong women paying bad men back to be somewhat stomach-churning in the face of so much excessive violence and harassment towards most of the women involved. Even before Nish throwing his fists at the Six, you had Stacey stalked for months before she was nearly raped (for a second time), in a story that ultimately went nowhere. You had Linda being harassed for months, and now being followed in her own home because we needed a tease that the man who raped her might have another go and end up a corpse on the floor of her home, a home he had already defiled multiple times. And finally we have an extended scene of Sharon, another woman who has been beaten by most of the men who claimed to love her, being choked out by the latest love as we waited to see Linda add further trauma to her long list of pain and hurt by stabbing him.

I'm aware that soaps have run on the blood, sweat, tears, and in many cases, corpses of female characters for a long time now. I'm not trying to suggest Clenshaw's EE is anything new in that regard. All I'm saying is the sheer cynicism in this approach, and the idea that the only way to have empowerment is through month after month after month of attempted rapes, revisited rapes, punches and myriad other forms of abuse, is one of the big reasons I find the show so difficult to get through at present. 

I'm glad it was a classic for many, and I hope you had a good Christmas. May you keep enjoying the show.

Edited December 26, 20231 yr by DRW50

OMG!! What a great episode!!

I love that Nish was not the final victim from the flashforward because it was predictable. Even if those scenes were awesome and I would not mind it, this was so much better.

When I realized that the scene is continuing and that there is more to come, I literally gasped when Keanu stormed in and the scene continued and I realized it will be Keanu as well who dies!! I just thought it would really come out that the two of them would both die.

Now that slimy Dean is in the house still, isn't he. We never saw him leave, we just saw the door left ajar, but he must have stayed in the house!!  

OMG, amazing! I cannot wait for today's episode!  

Kellie Bright finding out from the EP Chris Clenshaw that she was the killer 😂 

 

LOL That was fun! 

But I feel really bad for Linda. She really does have A LOT to deal with and now this  

There is the third part of the "EastEnders Whodunnit?" interview with the Six and it shows the entire conversation with Kellie Bright and Chris Clenshaw as he reveals everything to her. It is fun