Santa Barbara Discussion Thread

[Tonksadora]

3 hours ago, Marissa Gallant said:

I think there was probably more to the Lane and Nancy decline than just arguing over characters. However, people who are unhappy at work sometimes bring that home to their partners. And it's hard to escape when your partner is also in your face at work. But I wasn't there. And I'm certainly not LD or NLG's confidant. 

Of course, we know very little. Two lines in a wiki. They dated. They broke up over some unknown thing about their SB personas.

[Marissa Gallant]

21 hours ago, j swift said:

I mean it is interesting to look back within a modern context.  Mason gave CC all kinds of crap about being a bad guy.  Meanwhile, he was a single father of five kids, in the 1970s, in Santa Barbara, with one maid, who didn't live on-site.  And, (until the Greg retcon), it seems as if CC had no significant romantic relationships the whole time that he was raising his kids.

Talk about a sacrafice

Then, Sofia comes waltzing back in costume with a fake mustache, and the kids not only universally forgive her, but they all take her side whenever she blamed CC for their marital problems.

I've always wondered if Sophia or CC thought of naming their first born Channing Jr, considering that Mason was a child at the time?  Did Pamela not like the name Channing?  It is just so odd to name your second born as a Junior.

Ooh- I know this one! CC didn't want to name Mason after himself. He didn't want to name any of them after himself. Then Sophia insisted on naming Lionel Jr. er uh CC junior Channing. 

[j swift]

34 minutes ago, Marissa Gallant said:

Then Sophia insisted on naming Lionel Jr. er uh CC junior Channing. 

It confirms my hypothesis that 1960s Sofia was a bit more conniving.  She wanted to make sure that Channing (aka Lionel Jr, aka Brick) would one day own the keys to the kingdom. 

Meanwhile, supposed bad guy CC still kept Channing's son in the will, even after he found out that he wasn't Channing's biological father, and the son he raised had been switched at birth.  I'm just saying, justice for CC.

 

[Marissa Gallant]

On 5/7/2022 at 5:23 PM, j swift said:

It confirms my hypothesis that 1960s Sofia was a bit more conniving.  She wanted to make sure that Channing (aka Lionel Jr, aka Brick) would one day own the keys to the kingdom. 

Meanwhile, supposed bad guy CC still kept Channing's son in the will, even after he found out that he wasn't Channing's biological father, and the son he raised had been switched at birth.  I'm just saying, justice for CC.

 

I agree about CC. He wasn't as bad as the family often made him out to be. But Brandon isn't just Channing's son. CC officially adopted him. I really do have an enormous soft spot for CC, and think he was often misunderstood. Especially in the later years. He loved his family very much and tried to protect them. It's just that his attempts were usually misguided. 

[Liberty City]

11 minutes ago, Marissa Gallant said:

I agree about CC. He wasn't as bad as the family often made him out to be. But Brandon isn't just Channing's son. CC officially adopted him. I really do have an enormous soft spot for CC, and think he was often misunderstood. Especially in the later years. He loved his family very much and tried to protect them. It's just that his attempts were usually misguided. 

It annoys me that Brandon, who was essentially a major plot point for the first year of Santa Barbara, ultimately became a persona non grata by the end. After 1987 he just disappeared when an uncredited actor portrayed the role. By 1990 (my choice) or even 1991, when the Dobsons returned to co-executive producer alongside Paul Rauch, Brandon should have been slightly SORAS'd and pushing story. Trying to overtake his adoptive siblings, and then with the return of Santana, it would've created a major shift between Santana, CC and even Brandon. Plus, adding Gina into the mix? Amazing.

[Tonksadora]

I'll never forget the Emmy Awards where either he won or Gina won, with the cute little guy who played Brandon so much, just dancing excited! Endearing.

I have a question. I need to be able to tease out an original cast list. Just those that were there, say, the first week. Anybody have any idea how I could accomplish that? Thnx.

[Liberty City]

35 minutes ago, Tonksadora said:

I'll never forget the Emmy Awards where either he won or Gina won, with the cute little guy who played Brandon so much, just dancing excited! Endearing.

I have a question. I need to be able to tease out an original cast list. Just those that were there, say, the first week. Anybody have any idea how I could accomplish that? Thnx.

You just want the first week of episodes?

[Efulton]

1 hour ago, Tonksadora said:

I'll never forget the Emmy Awards where either he won or Gina won, with the cute little guy who played Brandon so much, just dancing excited! Endearing.

I have a question. I need to be able to tease out an original cast list. Just those that were there, say, the first week. Anybody have any idea how I could accomplish that? Thnx.

Have you checked out this website?  The cast list is very detailed.

http://santabarbara-online.com/index2.htm

[Tonksadora]

1 hour ago, Liberty City said:

You just want the first week of episodes?

What I really want is to know exactly what characters Bridget & Jerome created. They did the whole show bible, yep. And, common sense says that they did all of the original cast members. Now, where I lived at the time the NBC affiliate did not show SB either the first year or later, the last year.  Infuriating, I know. But, so, I didn't get to watch that. Is the first week up on YouTube? Because I could get at the info that way, by watching & making notes.

 

1 hour ago, Efulton said:

Have you checked out this website?  The cast list is very detailed.

http://santabarbara-online.com/index2.htm

No, I haven't. I will! Thnx.

Edited May 9 by Tonksadora
Wow! Great find, this French SB site.

[Marissa Gallant]

11 hours ago, Tonksadora said:

What I really want is to know exactly what characters Bridget & Jerome created. They did the whole show bible, yep. And, common sense says that they did all of the original cast members. Now, where I lived at the time the NBC affiliate did not show SB either the first year or later, the last year.  Infuriating, I know. But, so, I didn't get to watch that. Is the first week up on YouTube? Because I could get at the info that way, by watching & making notes.

 

No, I haven't. I will! Thnx.

I think you can find the first week. I'm going by memory but first week: Mason, Kelly, Ted, CC, Joe, Jade, Marissa Perkins, Joes Dad- can't remember his name, Rosa, Danny, Santana, Augusta, Minx, Warren and Lakin. Lionel came a few weeks later. Sophia (Dominique) a few weeks after that. Julia was a couple of months into the run. Cruz was a few weeks in. Eden came in for CCs birthday. 

It was ADORABLE when Justin Gocke won the Emmy. 

[Tonksadora]

1 hour ago, Marissa Gallant said:

I think you can find the first week. I'm going by memory but first week: Mason, Kelly, Ted, CC, Joe, Jade, Marissa Perkins, Joes Dad- can't remember his name, Rosa, Danny, Santana, Augusta, Minx, Warren and Lakin. Lionel came a few weeks later. Sophia (Dominique) a few weeks after that. Julia was a couple of months into the run. Cruz was a few weeks in. Eden came in for CCs birthday. 

It was ADORABLE when Justin Gocke won the Emmy. 

This is fabulous! Thnx. And, yes, adorable is just the right word for it.

[Liberty City]

11 hours ago, Marissa Gallant said:

I think you can find the first week. I'm going by memory but first week: Mason, Kelly, Ted, CC, Joe, Jade, Marissa Perkins, Joes Dad- can't remember his name, Rosa, Danny, Santana, Augusta, Minx, Warren and Lakin. Lionel came a few weeks later. Sophia (Dominique) a few weeks after that. Julia was a couple of months into the run. Cruz was a few weeks in. Eden came in for CCs birthday. 

It was ADORABLE when Justin Gocke won the Emmy. 

This was the cast from the first week of episodes (July 30 – August 3, 1984):

Series regulars:

• Dame Judith Anderson (Minx Lockridge)
• Valorie Armstrong (Marisa Perkins)
• Robert Alan Browne (John Perkins)
• Ismael "East" Carlo (Ruben Andrade)
• Margarita Cordova (Rosa Andrade)
• Lane Davies (Mason Capwell)
• Rosemary Forsyth (Sophia Armonti/Dominic)
• Andrea Howard (Veronica Gayley)
• Ava Lazar (Santana Andrade)
• Todd McKee (Ted Capwell)
• Stephen Meadows (Peter Flint)
• John Allen Nelson (Warren Lockridge)
• Rupert Ravens (Danny Andrade)
• Melissa Reeves née Brennan (Jade Perkins)
• Peter Mark Richman (C.C. Capwell)
• Julie Ronnie (Laken Lockridge)
• Louise Sorel (Augusta Wainwright Lockridge)
• Dane Witherspoon (Joe Perkins)
• Robin Wright (Kelly Capwell)

Recurring/episodic guests: on-going recurring characters in italics

• Philip Abbott (warden)
• Ian Abercrombie (Phillip)
• Frank Avila (policeman)
• Carlo Allen (Burt)
• Jim Boeke (bus driver)
•  Doug Boethin (Jeremy Thomas)
• Arthur Burghardt (television reporter)
• Ed Dogan (warden's assistant)
• Rick Fitts (Jake)
• James Hornbeck (Mr. Forbes)
• Margie Impert (news reporter)
• John Jackson (helicopter pilot)
• Geof Prysirr (henchman)
• Bill Saito (Ambrose)
• Robert Brian Wilson (Channing Capwell, Jr.)
• uncredited actor (Bill Larwin)
• uncredited actor (Nick Salvi)
• uncredited actor (Miss Thomas)

[Marissa Gallant]

How could I have forgotten Peter Flint?!?!? I'm obviously slipping. If I ever say 88 is the best ever, get me help.

[Marissa Gallant]

I really am loosing patience with 88. Cain does nothing except yell about everything. Scott always yells. Constantly angry is one note and boring to watch.

Kelly is a nimrod! She hated TJ for everything he did to Sophia, but after her miscarriage, TJ was the bestest ever! And she's all oh Snookums, you're so dreamy. Then, Kelly gets into a fist fight over him? Poor Kimberly McArthur wasn't that bad, but she was saddled with an impossible storyline. 

Sophia slapped Kelly? Again, no. 84-87 Sophia would have NEVER slapped her child. Under any circumstances. 

Sonny. We wanted Mason, not this dude.

I do admit Sonny's reactions to Gina as she explained the Capwells had me rolling. 

This show just feels off the rails to me, and not in the good way.

[Liberty City]

1 hour ago, Marissa Gallant said:

I really am loosing patience with 88. Cain does nothing except yell about everything. Scott always yells. Constantly angry is one note and boring to watch.

Kelly is a nimrod! She hated TJ for everything he did to Sophia, but after her miscarriage, TJ was the bestest ever! And she's all oh Snookums, you're so dreamy. Then, Kelly gets into a fist fight over him? Poor Kimberly McArthur wasn't that bad, but she was saddled with an impossible storyline. 

Sophia slapped Kelly? Again, no. 84-87 Sophia would have NEVER slapped her child. Under any circumstances. 

Sonny. We wanted Mason, not this dude.

I do admit Sonny's reactions to Gina as she explained the Capwells had me rolling. 

This show just feels off the rails to me, and not in the good way.

Hm. I'm not quite there yet, but, based on what I know, it sounds like Jill Farren Phelps & company were definitely taking what was a uniquely-created soap opera and tried to streamline it to be as the others, and it wasn't. I may have plenty of issues with the Dobsons, but their creation was unique.