I guess people can't blame California fire preemptions this week. Those AMC ratings are just tragic and embarrassing. And...these ratings will set ad rates.

It's a vicious cycle. Bad ratings=lower ad rates=Lower budget=worse production values=worse ratings.

I'd like to see what would happen if the soaps took one year and totally invested in the shows and made them look like they used to, especially GL and ATWT. I think it would help, but I don't know, maybe it's just too late.

I can't really say that I am surprised by AMC's numbers. The show is a former shell of itself. This insta-Greenlee redemption storyline, among other things, is killing the show. I think Fron's tendency to try and gain younger viewers has backfired on him. He ended up firing or backburning most of the characters (especially women) over the age of forty. He completly messed with the identities and the histories of each show. Core characters are gone and so is the sense of family. Instead of gaining younger viewers, he has alienated his long term viewers. His vision has completely destroyed ABC daytime tv and yet he gets promoted.

As for Days, I tuned in for John's death and thought the show was wonderful. But then it went back to showcasing characters that I really don't care for and I lost interest again. I wanted to see more Marlena and the vets dealing with John's death. Very disappointed with the show and I think that is why the ratings went down.

Ouch! The ABC soaps are suffering.

As for ATWT, I doubt that Carly is the one that people are tuning into see. She is just a small factor in their postive ratings. Her storyline is beyond dreadful. I much prefer to watch Holden, Lily, Noah, Luke, and anything with Rosanna & Paul.

I agree that Carly's story is dreadful, but Maura West is still the most popular actress on the show. She proved with her long maternity leave when viewers left in droves during that awful Kack story. I do think Holden and Lily have a big reason to do with the ratings increase as well. These crazy writers don't realize just how popular the characters they're sidelining are.

Yes, DVR's are counted, but they can't be included in demos and I don't think they are even in the HH numbers. I think they are a separate number, which is part of the reason HH are plummeting.

Yep. I believe the networks for primetime shows add DVR ratings later on. In their press releases, I believe they say this show got so and so rating and they expect the show to go up 10% or whatever when they get the readings from DVR playbacks within seven days of the original showing. I assume they do the same thing for soaps so DVR playbacks are not included this number. Neither are SN viewings.

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Whoa, these ratings are not good. For real. AMC last place in HHs? Thats something different. I expected DAYS' rise to be temporary. While John's death was good, it wasn't great. I mean, after all that time, where is Marlena? It seems she dropped off the face of the earth a week later and then the focus was on those dreaded kids. Everything back to usual. I am pretty sure she is still mourning...I would like to actually see more of it. Bo & Hope are like all over the place now, why not Marlena? I expect DAYS' ratings to stay this way as long as Hogan's jangled vision is on the screen, IMO. It's a shame too, because with the freefall that seems to be going on, it really shouldn't be too hard to at least tie #3 with ATWT. Ah well, I give props to ATWT. They have been holding steady for what...3-4 weeks now?? I like most of their stories right now(even that Sofie baby *ish, but only because now Barbara is in it)

Oh Toupsy, again with that avatar?

No, no, no, no, no!! Adblock will be turned on again...

Only at ABC would Frons get a promotion (Soapnet) as the ratings go into freefall. The man needs a pink slip, not more rewards!

I think soap watching has become like internet posting. It's all the same small group of people switching from board to board, or the same small group of viewers going from show-to-show. Right now they switched over to CBS soaps. I guess at some point they move back to ABC soaps.

I'm not watching much on ABC right now. I think I'll probably come back in the future, but the ABC shows just are not interesting to me right now. I'm pretty fed up with OLTL in fact.

GH started its sweeps month fun, but now it's just the same story from the hostage sweeps month. Instead of a hostage situation, it's a mad man running around. I don't think Lulu, Carly or Spinnili even got new scripts. But ABC or DOOL will do something in the future and everyone will flock back for awhile and ATWT, GL will drop.

Says who?

AMC and OLTL hit new lows in HH

Final Standings

1 Y&R 4.1

2 B&B 2.9

3 ATWT 2.3

3 GH 2.3

5 OLTL 2.0

6 DOOL 1.9

6 GL 1.9

6 AMC 1.9

ABC

ALL MY CHILDREN

Monday 2.0

Tuesday 2.0

Wednesday 2.0

Thursday 1.9

Friday 1.8

GENERAL HOSPITAL

Monday 2.3

Tuesday 2.3

Wednesday 2.4

Thursday 2.3

Friday 2.3

ONE LIFE TO LIVE

Monday 2.2

Tuesday 2.1

Wednesday 2.1

Thursday 1.9

Friday 1.9

CBS

AS THE WORLD TURNS

Monday 2.3

Tuesday 2.4

Wednesday 2.2

Thursday 2.4

Friday 2.1

BOLD AND BEAUTIFUL

Monday 3.0

Tuesday 2.8

Wednesday 2.7

Thursday 3.0

Friday 2.9

GUIDING LIGHT

Monday 1.9

Tuesday 2.0

Wednesday 1.9

Thursday 1.9

Friday 1.9

YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS

Monday 3.9

Tuesday 4.2

Wednesday 4.0

Thursday 4.1

Friday 4.1

NBC

DAYS OF OUR LIVES

Monday 1.9

Tuesday 1.8

Wednesday 1.8

Thursday 1.9

Friday 2.0

Glad ATWT held steady at #3. It was the Rosanna/Paul wedding that week. Actually, Thursday was the wedding. And AMC's ratings are bad. The show is not very good right now. It is focusing on only a certain amount of characters. Three soaps at the bottom of the ratings and under a 2.0. That is not good. I wonder who will be last in HH? I am assuming it will be AMC.

I won't be overly surprised is ABC changes their minds about continuing their shows through the writers strike do to the ever decling writers. OLTL is this close to falling off the 2.0 ledge.

I won't be overly surprised is ABC changes their minds about continuing their shows through the writers strike do to the ever decling writers. OLTL is this close to falling off the 2.0 ledge.

I see it the opposite way: Maybe the scabs can breathe some much-needed life into these shows. Sure, it MAY be just as bad, but the way ratings are, some new blood - even with strangers - may be of some help.

I think Fron's tendency to try and gain younger viewers has backfired on him. He ended up firing or backburning most of the characters (especially women) over the age of forty. He completly messed with the identities and the histories of each show. Core characters are gone and so is the sense of family. Instead of gaining younger viewers, he has alienated his long term viewers. His vision has completely destroyed ABC daytime tv and yet he gets promoted.

You have no idea, how much I agree with this! After watching GH over the years since 77 or was it 78 I have lost all loyalty to a show that had me. Frons and Guza don't care, so why should I.

My heart breaks for all these actors but ABCD sucks!

AMC is just horrid. But it's expected. They got rid of their talent (most of them), put characters who are better supporting front and center (doesn't work, they can't carry the show), and worst of all, dismantled families. This has been coming for some time, since the "new direction" the show has been pushed in.. it just took awhile for the full affect of the "youth oriented" soap to take.

It ain't pretty. AMC is really gone already. What a shame.

And it was NOT McTavish who did it. The problems (including the same recycled stories and style) are the same as under McT, which means they probably weren't McT problems.

Glad to see Y/R still doing relatively well.

that one has declined a bit too, but not as much as the others. It's partly cable, but I think the soaps can survive if they return to a formula that works (how about good stories, pacing, and characters, plus FAMILIES instead of a few 'stars'?), and make use of cable, internet, as well as network daytime. I think the GH: Nightshift idea could work for other soaps, too, IF it was done well with the right cast.

Whenever I try to watch AMC it is such a trainwreck. If you're going to re-focus a show on young'uns, fine. But AMC has several young'uns who look exactly the same and have no spark whatsoever. The show just doesn't work.

I was optimistic for B&E since I liked them on GL, but they have failed.

These ratings are just sad. 3 soaps struggling for last place. GL is hanging on by a thread although Edmund has returned it isn't enough to give the show an increase.

Good for ATWT holdin steady. Loving Holden and Lily & Nuke.

Wow OLTL 2.0!!!