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Season 6, the final season, has premiered with the first 4 episodes. The final 6 will be released in mid December. I have watched all of the first 4 and found myself overcome in a couple of instances. One was a throwaway line by a minor character that meant so much now that The Queen is gone. The other concerned the death of Diana and the particular creative choice that the writers made. Elizabeth Debicki was absolutely perfect. Flawless. She has set a bar that no actress will ever achieve in portraying Diana. My heart broke for her. Dominic West was also excellent as Charles. There is a particular scene after Diana has died in which he portrayed this level of grief that was also heartbreaking. Anyone who recalls Diana's death in 1997 will likely agree that he captured Charles' devastation. The writing was good in that it treated Diana, Charles, and The Queen fairly and none of them were villains. It acknowledged the complexity of their lives intersecting. There is a scene in the first episode of this season where Diana and Charles talk about being brilliant at divorce and I am so glad it was included because not everyone remembers that the last year of Diana's life was harmonious with Charles and there was footage and photographs of the two of them hugging goodbye after an event for William. By that point in time, relations were friendly, which is why Charles was as devastated as he was when she died. The only thing I think the writers got wrong was their portrayal of Mohammed Al Fayed. The episode devoted to him in the previous season was so excellent that the writing for him in this season felt a bit more of a caricature.

Truly - when you look at what networks and streamers are spending on programming, for dwindling returns, the soaps are clearly the most durable investment. They out-rate most of their competition and are produced for less than their competition and generate content 365 days a year - only news programming can claim the same.

I've watched Y&R for decades, and I always assumed that Victor and Nikki were egotistical enough to name their children after themselves - so colour me shocked to learn that's not the case!

I so wanted that to happen because they had real heat and when Jill was coming off her divorce she could have done with a younger man. If Jill had been the spoiler between Nina and Victoria's rivalry over Ryan that would have been fabulous and hilarious. I had also hoped for the same with Jill and Malcolm. They had some great scenes as friends in the late 90s and early 00s - totally believable chemistry.

And it's a nice set at that, with depth and colour etc. Way nicer than most of the recent sets of the last 10 years.

Right? Like all 110 lbs of Dame Joan would have crushed a stud like Michael Nader? That he and Alexis didn't get a happy ending in the reunion was terrible. Dame Joan loves a good pair of matching cuff bracelets...and is friends with Lynda Carter IRL...so you never know... It certainly didn't help that Forsythe that Blake 1) always had to win and 2) would not screw around on Krystle. Ali MacGraw recounted that Forsythe protested to her and Rock Hudson joining the show, telling the producers that America did not want to see "anyone f-cking around with the Carringtons" That Blake and Krystle stayed together the entire series really hampered it. They never evolved. Alexis had repetitive storylines with Blake, but her romantic storylines evolved over time with other actors.

One observation: the falsest note in the show is Kelsey Grammar. In watching the show, which from my view is not very good, it's like Kelsey has forgotten how to play Frasier. When I see Bebe Neuwirth in that scene, she still has Lilith's characterization, whereas Kelsey does not measure up. Of course, nearly 20 years have passed since he last played him, but there's something about the way he's doing it now that falls flat. The interesting one to see will be how Peri Gilpin fares when she returns as Roz.

And another of the darker episodes. Season 4, episode 17: "A Very Good Year for Murder" It features DAYS' Kristian Alfonso. In the end, Jessica and the police decide to look the other way after the killer confesses before attempting suicide.

I had to laugh - it's so true. The whole show was a fever dream of recycled DAYS storylines circa 1996. Speaking of DAYS, I nominate the original Princess Gina storyline. It kept going and going with the beginnings with Lily Faversham and Hope, with Hope locked in the turret with Stefano, then Gina shooting at Shawn on the roof of her wedding.

Just saw another of the darker MSW episodes. Season 4, Episode 2, 'When Thieves Fall Out' It's one of those episodes about people Jessica knows personally and her time as a teacher in Cabot Cove. No spoilers, but the ending is really good as Jessica basically says she doesn't care that justice was done because the result has hurt her and so many people she cares about.

Bethenny must have been silently seething at Denise's reaction to the Vanity Fair flop article for Bethenny's flop 'reality reckoning.' And she didn't get the corporate ownership quite right. Vanity Fair is published by Conde Nast which is, in turn, owned by Advance Publications. Advance Publications is a major shareholder of Warner Bros. so it is the reverse of what she said: Warner Bros is partly owned by the same company that publishes Vanity Fair.

Oh certainly. Hinsey, Leahey, and Sloane had apparently made a lot of enemies and once Hinsey was fired there were many clamouring for the ouster of the others. It took a decade or two, but now it is done.

It will be a difficult one for any editor/producer to put together. Jackie Zeman, Andrea Evans, Billy Miller, and Tyler Christopher all dying in the same year, among other talents, has been devastating and each of them is so deserving of being properly spotlighted in the farewell. If anything, the In Memoriam is the thing I will be watching for.

I'm reminded of that epic Carolyn Hinsey is fired thread from Jossip many years ago. Plenty said about Stephanie Sloane. None of it positive.

So what I'm not following is whether a televised show is happening or are the major categories (acting, producing, writing, directing) being covered at one of those three events?

Amen. Monica obliterated Lisa. Admittedly, I have never understood the appeal of Lisa or how she garnered the nickname ‘Fabulous Ice’ on this board because all I see is a self centred, dumb, whiney woman with a penchant for junk food and overpriced diamonds. She made an ass of herself at Whitney’s Tupperware style jewellery event. Monica is not afraid of her and she’s right that there are parallels between Monica’s mother and Lisa. Meredith did nothing this episode. Cute scene for Heather’s daughter and her prom date. Angie was very measured this episode and that fairness is a good trait in real life, but so hard to handle as a Housewife.

Glad for Winsor - actors like him who are pushing 60, no real possibility of work, and need to have sufficient insurable earnings for the SAG/AFTRA health insurance.

It's like the part was written for someone else and they had a last minute cancellation. Marie was so bad. The whole week was a wild flop. I binge watched it while cooking this weekend. I couldn't believe how low stakes it all felt. Fashion shows were the highest stakes events on B&B and this one just flopped.

I agree - production was not playing on Robyn's side (thank goodness) and did not hesitate to highlight what a deluded clown she is. Otherwise, great to have Potomac back, but the episode was boring. I think Bravo will edit what they can, but given the Ultimate Girls Trips occur in a static setting over a week, there is likely little they can do to eliminate Ramona.

Watched the episodes. Marie was atrociously bad.

Pump it directly into my veins. I have missed our girls so much. And as I thought, Ramona has been edited out of it within an inch of her life.

Predictions... RHUGT: Morocco will never air. RHUGT: RHONY Legacy, on the other hand, is going to air and it's going to be a success. I am willing to bet they are editing down Ramona's scenes right this second. MIAMI Great start to the season.

I agree with both of you. What a boring episode. It only serves to reinforce to me that Kyle and Mauricio's 'marriage trouble' is scripted AF and is being done in post to try and salvage this season. It also explains the late in season drafting in of Denise and Camille. Crystal should not have returned. If a storyline has to involve another party it's an automatic fail. Rinna, however, is not the answer. She drove the show into the ground as a toxic mess. They need a return of LVP.

SLC Another great episode. This show is firing on all cylinders this season. Heather was a supporting character this episode hosting events to spur interaction between the ladies and in both instances they succeeded. Lisa had little to do other than talk about how violent Colombia is. I'm surprised she didn't mention the cocaine given her cultural awareness. Meredith also had little to do. Nobody believes that car accident was potentially lethal. Nobody. She needs to give that one up. Angie's father is adorable and doing great for 86! Whitney will do anything to stay on this show. First, she's clearly playing with her marriage to Justin and creating strife in the name of long suffering housewife heroines everywhere having to plan multiple events (*snort laugh*), and then she humiliates herself by sitting down for dinner with Mary. Mary positively loathes Whitney, and is obviously a deranged, awful woman in her own right, but good lord Whitney, what did you think was going to happen sitting down with Mary? Mary has never, ever, pretended to like Whitney. Never. But suddenly Whitney claims they had a friendship worth saving? No. That scene was hilarious and cringe. Despite Mary being a total bitch who I would never want to encounter in real life, she's perfect for a scene like that and an accidental jester like Whitney. Monica...and Monica's mother...WHEW. At first, I wondered if Monica was gilding the lily when she was talking to Heather and the other ladies, mentioning that her mother took her car away and was throwing a tantrum. I have seen Monica's mother do a few social media posts this week to defend herself...and some of what she said seemed, on the surface, as potentially believable. But by the end of the episode, when Monica's thirsty mother starts the scene in tears, and then openly admits to leaving Monica in a trunk of a car so she could make out with a guy, asking Monica, incredulously, what else was she supposed to do...I was done. What an evil, despicable, pig bitch. Who here on SON wants to chip in and buy Monica a used car?

What sad news. Way too young to go.