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@Broderick Did you consider Lauren a vixen BITD? I thought of her as more spoiled brat/daddy's little princess. I'd say Bill Bell's clear cut vixens were BD original recipe Jill, Lorie, Brooke.

The Colbys was a spin off done wrong. It did not carve its own identity apart from its parent show Dynasty and was basically a second hour of Dynasty in a different setting. The Colbys was also doomed once it was in its regular time slot Thursday 9 pm head-to-head w/ Cheers and Night Court. At least Aaron Spelling learned his lesson by the time the Fox shows came around. Melrose Place successfully carved its own identity apart from Beverly Hills 90210.

He also made a comment about the scene where Victor collapsed and Jack kicked him and I got the impression the kick was not part of the scene as written, that PB added it in himself.

@Paul Raven May 26, 1988.

Maybe ED meant the first on Y&R, who knows. Yeah, that was not cool. PB should be reminded that his first two Emmy wins were the result of weak competition in the Lead Actor category.

@Broderick So Bill Bell was trying to evolve Lorie from vixen daughter of the main upper class family to anti-heroine?

@vetsoapfan Thank you for answering. It's too bad so little of the early years of Y&R is out there.

Cricket's date rape was a Bill Bell summer social issue storyline complete with PSA dialog. I will give LLB credit for improving as an actress during that storyline. There was one part of that storyline that stood out to me. During the medical exam, Cricket was given emergency medication. I think Bill Bell included that in response to the flack he got for Ashley having an emotional breakdown in the aftermath of ending her pregnancy.

Season 4 is still good but signs of tanking are showing. The abrupt end of the war crimes storyline derailed all the momentum that had been built during the course of the series.

Start from the beginning. Season 1 is a good start and builds the foundation. Seasons 2 and 3 are the peak.

What are your thoughts on these storylines from the early years: Snapper/Chris relationship with the surrounding storylines of Stuart exposing Snapper's cheating to Chris, Chris's rape, Greg falling for Chris, Stuart disapproving of Snapper and preferring Greg. Brad falling for Leslie but being pursued by Lorie and the surrounding storyline of Leslie's emotional breakdown. Leslie/Lorie/Lance/Lucas quadrangle with Vanessa in the background. I picked these three because they showed Bill Bell elements that we would see in later Y&R storylines and in the early years of B&B.

BD original recipe Jill, yes, but during her 1983-1987 run BD got way too extra halfway through.

From Chance's 2009 return, there was John Driscoll, Donny Boaz, Connor Floyd. If you count Justin Gaston, even though he was a fill-in, then four. Noah from his 2008 SORAS owns this thread for me. Maybe also Kyle from his 2012 SORAS.

@Soapsuds February 10, 1984

In My Sister's Shadow was first, then Naked at Dawn.

EB Twitter never mentioned any health issues after the knee surgery. Hopefully he recovers quickly.

To think the three of them haven't worked together in 46 years.

Mamie/Jill was the highlight today.

🤣 Agree, that hair toss was and still is epic.

It's a sign of budget mode.

@ChickenNuggetz92 Thank you so much 🤗

I loved the flashback today. "That Diane?" was everything

Sadly I think we are stuck w/ AH until Y&R ends.

Normally EB's Twitter rants give me life but I don't think he should have ranted in this case. I didn't get the impression that Eva Longoria was dissing her time on Y&R.

Oh snap, People has even put this on their website. Y&R's Eric Braeden Lays Into Eva Longoria for 'Derogatory' Soap Remarks (people.com)