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@Taoboi I have never heard anything about the team SM plays for, but I'm totally shocked that his baby mama is 39 and already has two kids by two dads.

@Darn @Faulkner @yrfan1983 Shemar Moore's girlfriend is pregnant with his first child (pagesix.com)

RIP Quinn Redeker and thank you for the years you entertained us on daytime.

1984/85 was probably the best and most pivotal television season of the 1980s. The premieres of The Cosby Show; Murder, She Wrote; Miami Vice; Who's the Boss; Moonlighting. The zenith of primetime soaps as all four were in the Top 10. The peak season of Dynasty and Knots Landing. Dallas lost #1 to Dynasty. Falcon Crest dropped from its peak the previous season. The action shows weakened a bit. The A-Team and Simon & Simon dropped from their peaks the previous season. Magnum, P.I. fell out of the Top 10. Sitcoms were gaining ground again, with the breakout success of The Cosby Show pulling up the rest of NBC's Thursday sitcom lineup Family Ties, Cheers, Night Court. CBS Sunday rebounded with the surprise success of Murder, She Wrote. Crazy Like a Fox was able to retain the Murder, She Wrote audience which The Jeffersons and Alice could not do. Despite Dallas dropping from #1 to 2nd, CBS was #1 for the 6th consecutive season. NBC moved up to 2nd. ABC dropped to 3rd. Little did we know at the time the impact that the breakout success of The Cosby Show and the surprise success of Murder, She Wrote would have on their respective networks, and that impact is still being felt today.

Do not give Bradley ideas. Then again, Bradley did reuse his father's work in the late 1990s. Amber/Rick/Kimberly was Bradley's version of Nina/Phillip/Cricket.

Looking back, 1988/89 wasn't a very good season. So many shows felt off. I chalk it up to after effects of the writer's strike and changing times.

@Paul Raven I had no idea Victor meeting Hope in Kansas was a redo of a Bill Bell Days storyline 🤯

I don't believe so. Other elements Bill Bell used Brothers fighting over a girl: Snapper/Greg, Lance/Lucas, Jazz/Tyrone, Victor/Matt, Ridge/Thorne, Neil/Malcolm Sisters fighting over a guy: Leslie/Lorie, Donna/Katie, Ashley/Traci, Olivia/Dru Virgin heroines that are rape victims: Chris, Peggy, Caroline, Cricket Working class young woman in conflict with wealthy older woman: Jill/Katherine, Nikki/Allison, Brooke/Stephanie, Nina/Jill, Sharon/Nikki Mothers that attempt to control their son's love lives: Vanessa, Allison, Mary, Stephanie, Nikki, Jill Messy wealthy matriarchs: Jennifer, Katherine, Vanessa, Allison, Dina, JoAnna, Stephanie Educated professional that has a troublemaking sibling: Casey/Nikki, Olivia/Dru, Neil/Malcolm

Bill Bell also had the working class single mother with a vixen daughter that was all about the come up w/ Liz/Jill and Beth/Brooke.

Y&R initial set up was an upper class family headed by a newspaper publisher and a working class family headed by a factory worker single mother. As we saw in the first two episodes during the 2020 classics, the upper class Brooks family didn't live in a mansion with a staff, matriarch Jennifer Brooks prepared dinner for her family, and they ate at the kitchen table. Y&R did introduce wealth and business in the 1970s (Chancellor, Prentiss) but it wasn't until the 1980s that wealth and business became the focus and that was due to Dallas/Dynasty influence. Bill Bell used the two family set up on B&B with the wealthy family that owned a fashion label and a working class family headed by a single mother that worked as a caterer.

Also Newhart, even though it was up and down ratings-wise during its run. September 1985, Charlie & Co. was placed Wednesday 9 pm head-to-head w/ Dynasty, the previous season's #1 show. January 1986 moved to Tuesday 8:30 pm head-to-head w/ Growing Pains, and then pulled from the schedule. Returned April 1986 Friday 8 pm head-to-head w/ Webster and ended May 1986. Charlie & Co. had a great cast (Gladys Knight, Flip Wilson, Kristoff St. John, Jaleel White) but somehow I feel CBS didn't have alot of faith in it. Earlier in the thread you brought up ABC Tuesdays in the first half of the 1980s where they also relied on 1970s sitcoms and the only new sitcom to have any success was Too Close for Comfort. Fortunately for ABC, they rebounded with sitcoms when Who's the Boss took off in 1985/86, then successful new comedies Growing Pains and The Wonder Years, and the breakout success of Roseanne in 1988/89. As for NBC, we all know that it started the 1980s as a mess in primetime. NBC made a comeback in primetime with the breakout success of The Cosby Show in 1984/85, which also pulled up Family Ties, Cheers, Night Court. Then there was the breakout success of The Golden Girls in 1985/86, and NBC would have the sitcom game on lock for the rest of the decade.

@fivethej January 1988.

Yup. You had the third place mess era (Fall 1987-Spring 1991), some signs of life (Fall 1991-Spring 1994), and another mess era starting Fall 1994. 1995 CBS sold to Westinghouse and goodbye Laurence Tisch, hello Les Moonves. Yes, it's funny that CBS had a Friday night line up of The Incredible Hulk, The Dukes of Hazzard, Dallas. Two shows for the kids, one show for the parents when the kids have gone to bed LOL.

Thank you for answering and I agree re Laura. While Val was the long-suffering heroine, Abby was the villainess, and Karen was the anchor/tentpole of the group, Laura was the heart and conscience of the group. Laura kept everyone in check and did not hesitate to call anyone out and put them on blast. Her absence left a huge hole in the show. Donna Mills was smart to leave when she did. Nicollette Sheridan wasn't a regular cast member until Season 10, but did you find that Paige ate the show during the final five seasons?

@DRW50 When would you say Knots Landing started tanking and when did it start to go off the rails for you? I'd say the tanking started in the aftermath of Val being reunited with the twins and it started going off the rails in the aftermath of Laura's death.

Knots Landing is not the type of soap you'd expect to go into action thriller/James Bond territory but I think they got Wolfbridge in Season 5 right. Empire Valley started good in Season 6 but was a mess in Season 7 and Jean Hackney in Season 8 was awful.

Yeah they were. It also didn't help that CBS struggled with sitcoms for most of the 1980s, from when M*A*S*H ended and The Jeffersons, Alice, One Day at a Time fell out of the Top 10 in 1982/83 to Murphy Brown and Designing Women entering the Top 30 in 1989/90 (they became Top 10 shows in 1990/91). Newhart and Kate & Allie started good, but they couldn't maintain their momentum and they got overshadowed by the big NBC and ABC sitcoms of the mid-1980s. It's so funny how the fortunes of CBS primetime and daytime changed in opposite directions over the course of the 1980s. CBS primetime was riding high at the beginning of the 1980s thanks to Who Shot JR mania but was an absolute mess by the end of the decade. CBS daytime was shaken up at the beginning of the 1980s by the huge rise of ABC but was #1 by the end of the decade with all four soaps hitting their stride plus the game show block. Also Magnum, P.I., Simon & Simon, Knots Landing. CBS Thursday was killing it with that block until NBC premiered The Cosby Show and the rest is history.

You're welcome @soapfan770 @Paul Raven You'd think CBS would have learned their lesson in 1981/82 re Knots Landing at 9 pm but they didn't. CBS did not have much success with launching new dramas in the second half of the 1980s. They kept the primetime soaps and action shows as long as they did because the new dramas launched from Fall 1985 to Fall 1989 which had multiple season runs (The Equalizer, The Twilight Zone, Houston Knights, Beauty and the Beast, Jake and the Fatman, Tour of Duty, Wiseguy, Paradise) didn't show any signs of growth. Magnum, P.I. was effectively done Spring 1986, Simon & Simon was effectively done Spring 1987, and the primetime soaps were creatively exhausted by Spring 1988. It wasn't until Northern Exposure premiered Summer 1990 that CBS had a new drama which would show growth during its run.

The huge rise of Reilly's Days from 1993 to 1997 really shook up both Y&R and B&B. Y&R is fine through the first half of 1994. Summer 1994, the frat party starts. Fall 1994, Y&R goes off track in the aftermath of OJ. Y&R doesn't recover until the second half of 1997. Bradley takes over B&B in 1993 and it goes into a lull for the rest of that year and for most of 1994. Some signs of life in late 1994 that lead to Bradley's big storylines culminating in the first half of 1995. Second half of 1995, the tanking starts and B&B is done for me after the Jabot/Newman crossover in 1999. The consensus here is that B&B was done after 2002.

CBS messed up their Thursday lineup in Fall 1986. Magnum, P.I. moved to Wednesday 9 pm head-to-head w/ Dynasty (which was still a Top 10 show heading into Fall 1986). Simon & Simon moved up 1 hour to 8 pm where it was DOA against The Cosby Show and Family Ties (which were #1 and 2nd in 1985/86). Knots Landing moved up 1 hour to 9 pm where I think CBS expected it would kill off The Colbys but instead Knots Landing got weakened further by Cheers and Night Court. CBS saw the error of their ways and moved Knots Landing back to 10 pm but then NBC counter-programmed Thursday 10 pm by replacing aging Hill Street Blues w/ new drama L.A. Law and that move paid off for NBC. Here's how L.A. Law compared to Knots Landing in the years they were head-to-head. 1986/87: 21. L.A. Law (first season), 26. Knots Landing (down from 17th in 1985/86). 1987/88: 12. L.A. Law. Knots Landing was below the Top 30. 1988/89: 13. L.A. Law, 27. Knots Landing. 1989/90: 16. L.A. Law. Knots Landing was below the Top 30. 1990/91: 23. L.A. Law. Knots Landing was below the Top 30. 1991/92: 28. L.A. Law. Knots Landing was below the Top 30. 1992/93: Both were below the Top 30 and 1992/93 was Knots Landing final season. L.A. Law and Knots Landing first faced off on December 4, 1986 and the L.A. Law episode was Jeanne Cooper's first appearance as Gladys Becker. I see what you did there NBC, you're not fooling me. The Dukes of Hazzard and Dallas both appealed to male audiences and Dallas was CBS's highest rated scripted show so maybe that's why CBS left The Dukes of Hazzard where it was despite the ratings collapse in its final three seasons. Perhaps Lorimar insisted on keeping Dallas and Falcon Crest in a block.

Who would've thought Sheila Carter would end up with 5 kids by 4 dads.

Budget mode is here sadly.

The full episode hasn't surfaced but from the clips, Victor got drunk in his devastation over Ashley's marriage to Steven and it also looked like Victor got a little rough with Nikki.

Caroline was one of B&B's best original characters as written by Bill Bell but I don't think she had much of an impact in the years following her death. Bill Bell essentially replaced Caroline with Taylor. I think Bill Bell realized that over on Y&R he rushed into recasting Ashley and that may have lead to his decision to kill off Caroline instead of going the recast route. Caroline's death was probably B&B's saddest death, even if her final scenes were a dust off of Jennifer Brooks's death on Y&R 13 years earlier and the storyline so far removed from the realities of a cancer patient (see also Jessica Blair's AIDS patient storyline on Y&R and her death 8 months earlier).

Going back to networks dominating a specific night, how about CBS Fridays from 1981-1985? December 4, 1981: CBS launches their new Friday lineup 8 pm The Dukes of Hazzard (moved up from 9 pm, replacing The Incredible Hulk which was pulled from the schedule), 9 pm Dallas (moved up from 10 pm), 10 pm new drama Falcon Crest. The Dukes of Hazzard drops from 2nd to 6th (it's final Top 10 season), Dallas has its second consecutive season at #1, Falcon Crest finishes 13th and is the highest rated new scripted series in 1981/82. No ABC and NBC Friday shows finish in the Top 30 in 1981/82. 1982/83: The Dukes of Hazzard drops to 30th (this was the cast switch season), Dallas drops to 2nd (60 Minutes is #1 this season), Falcon Crest moves up to 8th. No ABC and NBC Friday shows finish in the Top 30. 1983/84: The Dukes of Hazzard falls below the Top 30, Dallas moves up to #1 (it's final #1 season), Falcon Crest moves up to 7th (it's highest finish ever). ABC has a Friday show in the Top 30, Webster first season (25th). No NBC Friday shows finish in the Top 30. 1984/85: The Dukes of Hazzard finishes below the Top 30 in what would be its final season, Dallas drops to 2nd (Dynasty is #1 this season), Falcon Crest drops to 10th (it's final Top 10 season). ABC has a Friday show in the Top 30, Webster (25th). No NBC Friday shows finish in the Top 30. A notable drama that premieres on NBC Friday this season: Miami Vice. Fall 1985, the tide is starting to shift. 1985/86: The Dukes of Hazzard replaced by new drama The Twilight Zone, which finishes below the Top 30. Dallas drops to 6th (it's final Top 10 season) and Falcon Crest drops to 24th. No ABC Friday shows in the Top 30. Over on NBC, Miami Vice blows up and finishes 9th, it's highest finish ever. 1986/87: The Twilight Zone moves to Saturday 10 pm and is replaced on Fridays by Scarecrow and Mrs. King (moved from Monday 8 pm), which falls below the Top 30 in what would be its final season. Dallas drops to 11th and Falcon Crest moves up to 23rd. No ABC Friday shows in the Top 30. Perhaps a little overconfident from Miami Vice success the previous season, NBC launches their new Friday lineup 8 pm The A-Team (moved from Tuesday 8 pm), 9 pm Miami Vice (moved up from 10 pm), 10 pm new drama L.A. Law. That lineup didn't work as The A-Team falls below the Top 30 in what would be its final season and Miami Vice drops to 26th. L.A. Law was not doing the job I think NBC wanted it to do (clobber Falcon Crest) so NBC replaces L.A. Law on Fridays with Crime Story (moved from Tuesday 9 pm) and moves L.A. Law to Thursday 10 pm (replacing Hill Street Blues, which moved to Tuesday 9 pm) where it would take off (there's also the factors of having NBC's Thursday comedy block as its lead ins and being head-to-head with a weakened Knots Landing). L.A. Law finishes 21st while Crime Story is below the Top 30. 1987/88: Scarecrow and Mrs. King replaced by new drama Beauty and the Beast, which finishes below the Top 30. Dallas drops to 22nd and Falcon Crest falls below the Top 30. No ABC and NBC Friday shows in the Top 30. A notable sitcom that premieres on ABC Friday this season: Full House. 1988/89: Beauty and the Beast is below the Top 30, Dallas drops to 29th, Falcon Crest is below the Top 30. No ABC and NBC Friday shows in the Top 30. 1988/89 is the final season for Miami Vice. Fall 1989, the tide fully shifts. 1989/90: Beauty and the Beast moves to Wednesday 8 pm and CBS keeps changing Friday 8 pm because nothing works. Dallas falls below the Top 30 and Falcon Crest is below the Top 30 in what would be its final season. No NBC Friday shows in the Top 30. Over on ABC, they launch the TGIF brand for their Friday comedy block and the first TGIF lineup is Full House, new comedy Family Matters, Perfect Strangers, Just the Ten of Us. Full House gets their first Top 30 finish (22nd). As we all know ABC's TGIF Friday comedy block was a 1990s staple while CBS struggled on Fridays during that decade.