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1987/88 I feel was the start of the decline of drama series. It seems very few hit dramas were left at this point. CBS: Murder, She Wrote was a hit but Cagney & Lacey, Dallas, Falcon Crest, Knots Landing; Magnum, P.I.; Simon & Simon were aging, and The Equalizer was not showing growth. Spring 1988 saw the end of Cagney & Lacey and Magnum, P.I. and one newer drama that showed no growth during its short run (Houston Knights). The new dramas from 1987/88 that would return were Beauty and the Beast, Jake and the Fatman, Tour of Duty, Wiseguy. ABC: Moonlighting was a hit but Dynasty was aging, Hotel was fading, and MacGyver and Spenser: For Hire were not showing growth. Spring 1988 saw the end of Hotel and Spenser: For Hire and two newer dramas that showed no growth during their short runs (Max Headroom, Ohara). The new dramas from 1987/88 that would return were Thirtysomething, China Beach, HeartBeat. NBC: Matlock and L.A. Law were hits and Hunter was showing signs of growth but Miami Vice and Highway to Heaven were fading and St. Elsewhere was aging. Spring 1988 saw the end of St. Elsewhere and four newer dramas that showed no growth during their short runs (Our House, Crime Story, Rags to Riches, The Bronx Zoo). The new dramas from 1987/88 that would return were In the Heat of the Night and Sonny Spoon.

March Madness break is March 16 and 17. 50th anniversary week is March 27-31.

The primetime soaps in the context of drama series history on their respective networks: Dallas and Knots Landing 14 season runs tie them w/ NCIS: Los Angeles, and places them behind Gunsmoke, NCIS, Lassie, CSI, Criminal Minds. Falcon Crest 9 season run ties it w/ Perry Mason, The Waltons; Walker, Texas Ranger; Touched by an Angel, JAG, CSI: NY, and places it behind Gunsmoke, NCIS, Lassie, CSI, Criminal Minds, Dallas, Knots Landing, NCIS: Los Angeles, Blue Bloods, original Hawaii Five-O; Murder, She Wrote; CSI: Miami, Hawaii Five-0 reboot. Dynasty 9 season run ties it w/ The F.B.I and The Love Boat, and places it behind Grey's Anatomy and NYPD Blue.

You are killing me 🤣 The preview reads 10% good, 90% garbage time.

For those who don't have Paramount+, the clips are also on The Young and the Restless (Official Site) Watch on CBS

Y&R was 10% good, 90% garbage time. I was disappointed there were really no big stories to build up to the 50th anniversary.

2022/23 Finale dates Ghosts - May 11 S.W.A.T. - Two part season finale May 12 and May 19 East New York - Series finale May 14 NCIS: Los Angeles - Two part series finale May 14 and May 21 NCIS: Hawaii - Two part season finale May 15 and May 22 True Lies -Series finale May 17 Young Sheldon - May 18 So Help Me Todd - May 18 CSI: Vegas - May 18 Fire Country - May 19 Blue Bloods - May 19 The Equalizer - May 21 The Neighborhood - May 22 Bob Hearts Abishola - May 22 NCIS - May 22 FBI - May 23 FBI: International - May 23 FBI: Most Wanted - May 23 2023/24 Renewals Dramas NCIS - Season 21 Blue Bloods - Season 14 S.W.A.T. - Season 7 (13 episode final season) FBI - Season 6 FBI: Most Wanted - Season 5 The Equalizer - Season 4 FBI: International - Season 3 NCIS: Hawaii - Season 3 CSI: Vegas - Season 3 Fire Country - Season 2 So Help Me Todd - Season 2 NCIS 21st season moves it past Gunsmoke as being CBS's longest-running drama series. Blue Bloods 14th season ties it w/ Dallas, Knots Landing, NCIS: Los Angeles. Comedies Young Sheldon - Season 7 The Neighborhood - Season 6 Bob Hearts Abishola - Season 5 Ghosts - Season 3

1987/88 the peak of sitcoms, taking up the bulk of the Top 10. NBC sitcom dominance was at its height, taking 6 of the Top 10 spots. This season would be the highest finishes for A Different World, The Golden Girls, Growing Pains, Who's the Boss, ALF. The Cosby Show third consecutive #1 season and it was still a killer show. 18 out 23 episodes finished #1 in the week of their original broadcast, three episodes finished 2nd, and two episodes finished 3rd. Murder, She Wrote dropped from 4th to 9th. This season they faced time slot competition from Family Ties, which itself dropped from 2nd to 17th after the move to Sunday 8 pm. No primetime soaps in the Top 20. This was the season they all started going off the rails and were creatively exhausted by the end of the season. 1987/88 just feels like the natural end point of primetime soaps as a genre. CBS primetime lineup tanked this season and they dropped to 3rd. I feel ABC having three big sports events (World Series, Super Bowl, Winter Olympics) had a lot to do with their finishing 2nd this season.

When was the last time we saw DD? I want to say the 12000th episode but I could be wrong on that.

@ltm1997 For real? If that happened I'd be a total squealing fangirl 😂

I've never been to Miami but I've heard it described as a fashion show by people I know that have visited there.

I asked this here before, but was the mess in the 1980s due to chasing the big 1980s trends (Dallas/Dynasty influence, supercouples, action/adventure) but getting them wrong?

We are really in budget mode now.

Would you say that Roger's return was the shot in the arm that got GL to rebound from some rough years in 1980s? So Roger was more of an anti-hero than a full-on villain?

Now's the time for a cast purge.

Oh what a mess. Sad to see a show that I have loved for so long reduced to this.

In the 1990s B&B was alot more risk taking with love scenes compared to Y&R. There were some that bordered on the type of movies that were shown on cable in the wee hours.

Agree. So much garbage time.

Frenemies Y&R: Katherine/Jill, Cricket/Nina, Sharon/Grace B&B: Caroline/Brooke, Stephanie/Brooke

It seems Grand Phoenix and Society replaced Genoa City Athletic Club. EB anniversary episodes were set at Top of the Tower, but I can't remember seeing that set afterwards. Colonnade Room made it to the 2000s, with Victor/Nikki 2002 wedding and Michael/Lauren 2005 wedding, but again I can't remember the last time it was used. I forgot about the Athletic Club rooftop pool.

What homes/locations are left now? We have Chancellor estate, Newman ranch, Abbott estate as the main homes and the rest of the homes are either apartments or hotel suites. For locations we have Jabot, Newman Enterprises, Chancellor-Winters, Crimson Lights, Society, Grand Phoenix, Noah's club. When was the last time we saw Top of the Tower or Genoa City Athletic Club or Colonnade Room?

@Paul Raven You're welcome.

@Vizion I haven't rewatched any 1996 B&B, that's why my memory of Grant's introduction was off. I agree that Hunter Tylo being so in and out from 1994-1998 derailed alot of storylines.

Any episodes of Roger/Holly storylines from 1979 and 1980 that surface are such a treat, because those storylines set in motion so much of what we saw a decade later. Not much of their 1976-1978 storylines have surfaced AFAIK. Earlier in the thread I posted an article where GL cast members remembered MZ on the 20th anniversary of his death. Going back to it, Kimberley Simms credits the Roger/Mindy storyline for her growing as an actress and Mindy growing as a character, plus she mentions that the Roger/Mindy storyline allowed the audience to see MZ as a romantic leading man and not just a villain. Despite the initial torridness of their pairing (affair with business rival's daughter), I think Roger did love Mindy. I remember a scene where Roger told Blake he loved Mindy and wanted to marry her. They wouldn't have worked as a long-term couple though as the specter of Roger's feelings for Holly would be lingering in the background.

@j swift Hahaha. I remember those Abbott family breakfast scenes where Mamie's cinnamon buns were mentioned.