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Budget mode casting. Hired on the cheap.

LOL at Budget Kardashian. I'm only here for any potential Larsa/Marcus drama, as I'm a longtime NBA fan.

Y&R/B&B Bill Bell only. Kay Alden and Jack Smith tried but they didn't work, and all the outsiders (LML et al) didn't understand Y&R. As far as B&B goes, we all know Bradley did not inherit his father's talent. Douglas Marland had successful runs at both Guiding Light and As the World Turns. I wonder how the CBS primetime soaps would have fared with CBS daytime writers. Imagine Bill Bell at either Dallas or Falcon Crest, or Douglas Marland at Knots Landing.

1987/88 CBS entire primetime lineup tanked, not just Dallas. With the exception of Murder, She Wrote, the rest of CBS drama lineup was either aging or not showing growth plus CBS had no big hit sitcoms while NBC was killing it with sitcoms and ABC was saved by its Tuesday lineup, World Series, Super Bowl, Winter Olympics. CBS primetime soaps all started going off the rails that season. Dallas in the aftermath of Pamela's disappearance. Knots Landing in the aftermath of Laura's departure. Falcon Crest I can't pinpoint exactly but the core families shrunk and the supporting characters and guest stars in short arcs didn't really work. They were all creatively exhausted by the end of the season and if they had all ended Spring 1988, we would have been spared the off the rails plus budget mode era.

@j swift Not to derail this thread, but if you watched the Y&R 50th anniversary special and saw the segment where Lauralee Bell talked about Cricket's date rape from Summer 1989, you'll recall that she commented how Bill Bell wanted to tell that story properly. To me it sounded like a swipe at how other soaps told rape storylines and I think two of the rape storylines that were being swiped were General Hospital Laura (which was about a decade earlier) and Santa Barbara Eden (which was about a year earlier).

The first year and a bit of Gail Kobe/Pamela Long (Spring 1983 to Summer 1984) was popular and set in motion characters and storylines that would carry GL through its final 25 years (Lewis family expanded and elevated to a core family, Phillip/Beth, Josh/Reva, Alexandra), but from what I've seen it was too much chasing 1980s trends. I'd go as far to say that the only bright spot of GL's final 25 years was the Robert Calhoun era.

The Search for Tomorrow/CBS/P&G situation is weird to me. I'm going by things that have been posted in various threads over the years. P&G was not happy that CBS moved Search for Tomorrow from 12:30 pm to 2:30 pm even though the ratings I believe remained stable after the time slot change. CBS had enough of P&G complaining so they cancelled Search for Tomorrow in March 1982 but P&G found a new home for Search for Tomorrow on NBC at 12:30 pm. That move was an epic failure as Search for Tomorrow lost half its audience with the move to NBC since it was head-to-head w/ the first half of Y&R. Capitol went on the air because CBS wanted something more glamorous to compete w/ ABC. It basically inherited the Search for Tomorrow 2:30 pm audience but I don't think Capitol performed any better ratings-wise than Search for Tomorrow did in that time slot. Oddly enough, Search for Tomorrow NBC run ended three months before Capitol ended. IMO Capitol was a placeholder/time-filler until Bill Bell had another show ready for CBS daytime.

Yup. No way that build-a-body gets ruined. She's probably harvesting her eggs as we speak. Totally agree.

Thanks again for all your hard work in bringing us this look back at daytime history 🤗 Agree. It will be interesting to see Y&R evolution from surviving years 1980-1982 to thriving years the rest of the 1980s.

Larsa turns 49 soon so her window of opportunity in producing a Jordan offspring is shrinking. OMG Juanita Jordan is a name I have not heard/read about in years. AFAIK she has kept a pretty low profile since she and Michael Jordan divorced some 15+ years ago.

She kind of did when she witnessed Roger slapping Blake and did nothing about it.

Larsa Pippen and Marcus Jordan Discuss Having Kids: 'Time Will Tell' (people.com) Possible storyline for next season?

NBC on the whole was a mess in the late 1970s and early 1980s. As we all know NBC didn't recover in primetime until The Cosby Show came along but it remained a mess in daytime despite supercouple Days, Santa Barbara Emmy run, Reilly Days.

February 8, 1980: Eric Braeden debut on Y&R July 22, 1980: Terry Lester (RIP) debut on Y&R.

September the kids are back in school so there's going to be a drop off.

March 19, 1979: Jerry verDorn (RIP) debut on GL.

February 20, 1979: Melody Thomas Scott debut on Y&R. March 5-9, 1979 was a big week in daytime history: Another World expands to 90 minutes, Guiding Light Roger/Holly marital rape, One Life to Live Karen Wolek on the witness stand.

What about 1970s Y&R?

Larsa Pippen Awarded Half Of Scottie Pippen's Retirement Fund (hotnewhiphop.com) She's set for a while.

Wow the ABC big three are killing it. Lets see if the momentum continues when the kids return to school.

Larry Hagman didn't look like a romantic leading man but he still got much younger (as in 20+ years) love interests.

July kids are off school plus the ABC big three appealed to a younger audience.

March 5, 1979: New NBC soap schedule (ET) is 1 pm Days, 2 pm The Doctors, 2:30 pm Another World now 90 minutes. This schedule is until August 1, 1980. April 23, 1979: CBS moves Love of Life from 11:30 am ET to 4 pm ET. February 1, 1980: CBS broadcasts the final episode of Love of Life. February 4, 1980: New CBS soap schedule (ET) is 12:30 pm Search for Tomorrow, 1 pm Y&R now 1 hr, 2 pm As the World Turns, 3 pm Guiding Light. This schedule is until June 5, 1981. August 4, 1980: New NBC soap schedule (ET) is 12:30 pm The Doctors, 1 pm Days, 2 pm Another World back to 1 hr, 3 pm new soap Texas. This schedule is until March 26, 1982. June 8, 1981: New CBS soap schedule (ET) is 12:30 pm Y&R, 1:30 pm As the World Turns, 2:30 pm Search for Tomorrow, 3 pm Guiding Light. This schedule is until March 26, 1982.

You liked the era that resembled a modern day western as opposed to the era that was more corporate.

Empire Valley started good in season 6 but became a mess in season 7. Season 5 Knots Landing got corporate with Lotus Point and action thriller/James Bond with Wolfbridge but those storylines worked as they gave us high emotional stakes character driven storytelling that impacted the whole canvas.