kalbir

Two messy wealthy matriarchs facing off and taking each other down with words and not with bitch slaps. Hells yes I am here for it.

Christopher was another that was more plot device than fully developed character. That lake scene, was Christopher trying to purify himself in the waters?

@Broderick Come to think of it, Y&R's action/adventure storylines were quite tame in comparison to the more outlandish action/adventure storylines on General Hospital and Days in that same era. I still feel those storylines didn't really suit Y&R and I wonder how much of it was Bill Bell's own choice or if it was mandated by CBS in attempt to compete with General Hospital and Days. Notice though that once Ed Scott becomes EP all the action/adventure storylines are gone and Y&R becomes more "corporate".

All three CBS primetime soaps started having budget issues around 1987, thus the salary dumpings of the long-time female cast members across the shows that began that year. Fall 1988 budget mode kicked in on-screen and lasted until the shows ended. Of course in that same era CBS was a mess in primetime (most of the drama line up was either aging or not showing growth and no hit sitcoms for many years) and Lorimar was a mess too (1986 merger with Telepictures, Les Moonves moving up the ranks from 1985 starting as executive in the movie/miniseries division to 1988 Head of Creative Affairs then 1990 President, 1989 takeover by Warner Communications).

Deveney Dixon, who was impersonating Angela Forrester.

What happened on the soaps and the two rookie hits that week. Dynasty - That Holiday Spirit: Amanda asks Dex to put a stop to his wedding plans with Alexis. Dominique joins the Carringtons for a Christmas gala, where Blake makes an important announcement. Blake strikes a deal with racehorse owner Daniel Reese. Dallas - Deja Vu: Bobby finds Jenna with Marchetta. Pam travels to the Caribbean to search for Mark. Cliff and J.R. work to keep Pam and Bobby separated. The Cosby Show - Father's Day (episode 13): The children surprise Cliff with unique Father's Day gifts in December. Knots Landing - Distant Locations: Karen finds out that Val went to the bus station, but when she was seen there, four busses left. Abby and Gary have lunch with Galveston, and Galveston notices that Abby's not happy with Gary's preoccupation with Val. Falcon Crest - Winner Take All: Greg threatens Cole and Melissa's impending marriage. Angela exploits Charlotte's gambling weakness. Lance and Joel race for $5000. Murder, She Wrote was a repeat on December 23.

Brad in a cage was sort of a redo of Michael Scott in the dungeon, but it wasn't one of Bill Bell's finest hours.

@YRfan23 Did you think it was SF in the segments I pointed out or are my eyes/ears playing tricks on me?

The two biggest stunt castings in the peak years were Lana Turner and Gina Lollobrigida. There was still more story that could have been told with Jacqueline but Francesca was more plot device than fully developed character.

So we could've gotten a Nathan/Amy/Dru triangle. The Barber sisters were another Bill Bell educated professional with a troublemaking sibling. He also dusted off the intros of the Reed sisters: new doctor in town that has a troublemaking younger sister.

Katherine/Marge got JC her second Lead Actress Emmy nomination, but it was one of those second/third tier storylines that Bill Bell gave to the main females in 1989 that were not named Cricket or Cassandra. The Jackson brothers were gone in that cast purge during the EP change from H. Wesley Kenney to Ed Scott. Do you think there was storyline potential with them in the years before the arrivals of the Barber sisters and Winters brothers? I think Jazz could have been a restaurant/bar/nightclub owner and Tyrone could have been another lawyer in town besides Mitchell Sherman and Michael Crawford.

In the main cast or the guest stars? I'm no expert, but is California wine country associated with vast wealth and jet setters?

This is shocking. RIP.

I didn't spot SF in the intro of the B&B contingent, but I think that's her at 1:19:32 and it sounds like her at 1:20:17.

Whiteface Tyrone would not fly today and I don't know how Bill Bell got away with it. That storyline was part of the mob angle during the H. Wesley Kenney years. Action/adventure was the 1980s trend Y&R got wrong, those storylines didn't suit Y&R.

Gina Lollobrigida was 57 in 1984 and she looked pretty good for her age. It was either good Italian genetics or good Italian doctors. Ratings for Gina Lollobrigida episodes and how they compared to the rest of the primetime soaps and 1984/85 two rookie hits. November 9, 1984: The Intruder, rating 21.1, 8th for the week. Finished ahead of Knots Landing (November 8: Ipso Facto, rating 19.4). Dallas (November 9: Homecoming, rating 26.2) was #1, Dynasty (November 7: The Verdict, rating 25.7) was 2nd, and The Cosby Show (November 8: Play it Again, Vanessa (episode 8 ), rating 21.2) was 7th. No Murder, She Wrote on November 11. November 16, 1984: Pain and Pleasure, rating 20.5, 11th for the week. Finished ahead of Murder, She Wrote (November 18: Lovers and Other Killers (episode 6), rating 19.1). Dallas (November 16: Oil Barons Ball III, rating 26.5) was 2nd, Dynasty (November 14: Amanda, rating 23.5) was 5th, The Cosby Show (November 15: How Ugly is He? (episode 9), rating 22.5) was 6th, and Knots Landing (November 15: Truth and Consequences, rating 20.7) was 10th. November 23, 1984: The Trump Card, rating 18.8, 11th for the week. Finished ahead of The Cosby Show (November 22: Bonjour Sondra (episode 10), rating 16.7) and Knots Landing (November 22: Love to Take You Home, rating 16.3). Dynasty (November 21: The Secret, rating 24.3) was 3rd, Dallas (November 23: Shadows, rating 22.6) was 5th; and Murder, She Wrote (November 25: Hit, Run and Homicide (episode 7), rating 19.7) was 9th. November 30, 1984: Tarantella, rating 21.1, 12th for the week. Dallas (November 30: Charlie, rating 25.9) was 2nd, Dynasty (November 28: Domestic Intrigue, rating 25.2) was 3rd, and Knots Landing (November 29: Tomorrow Never Knows, rating 21.4) was 11th. The Cosby Show was a repeat on November 29. No Murder, She Wrote on December 2. December 7, 1984: Going Once, Going Twice; rating 20.7, 12th for the week. Finished ahead of Knots Landing (December 6: We Come Together, rating 20.2). Dynasty (December 5: Krystina, rating 25.3) was #1, Dallas (December 7: Barbecue Five, rating 24.7) was 3rd, The Cosby Show (December 6: You're Not a Mother Night (episode 11), rating 23.1) was 4th; and Murder, She Wrote (December 9: We're Off to Kill the Wizard (episode 8 ), rating 22.3) was 6th.

Angelica Nero was literally straight out of a James Bond movie 🤣. Granted one that's not part of the official series, but that's neither here nor there for this thread.

@Khan I spotted Jaime Lyn Bauer in a Season 10 episode. CBS had so much of their own daytime talent that could have worked on their primetime soaps when the primetime soaps were at the height of their popularity but for whatever reason they ended up casting mostly former ABC/NBC daytime actors.

@yrfan1983 You're at the home stretch. Episode 12 is a game changer.

Of the CBS primetime soaps, I think Knots Landing ended up casting the most former daytime stars as either part of the main cast or in short runs.

Today (May 8 ) marks 10 years since Jeanne Cooper passed away. Y&R has not been the same without its grande dame. RIP.

Baby Girl nation came through!

The last 10 episodes of season 6 was to me the peak of Knots Landing and a highlight of those episodes was Ava Gardner's arc. Ratings for Ava Gardner episodes and how they compared to the rest of the primetime soaps and 1984/85 two rookie hits. February 28, 1985: The Deluge, rating 20.3, 13th for the week. The Cosby Show (February 28: Back to the Track, Jack (episode 20); rating 27.0) was #1, Dynasty (February 27: Life and Death, rating 24.8) was 2nd, Dallas (March 1: Dead Ends, rating 22.6) was 7th; and Murder, She Wrote (March 3: Sudden Death (episode 17), rating 21.6) was 9th. No Falcon Crest on March 1. March 7, 1985: A Piece of the Pie, rating 20.4, 11th for the week. Finished ahead of Murder, She Wrote (March 10: Footnote to Murder (episode 18), rating 19.7) and Falcon Crest (March 8: House Divided, rating 17.5). Dynasty (March 6: Parental Consent, rating 24.0) was 3rd and Dallas (March 8: Trial & Error, rating 22.4) was 6th. The Cosby Show was a repeat on March 7. March 22, 1985: The Forest for the Trees, rating 16.0, 29th for the week. Dynasty (March 20: The Crash, rating 22.6) was 3rd. The Cosby Show was a repeat on March 21. No Dallas and Falcon Crest on March 22. Murder, She Wrote was a repeat on March 24. April 11, 1985: Four, No Trump; rating 19.9, 11th for the week. Finished ahead of Falcon Crest (April 12: Devil's Harvest, rating 18.5). Dynasty (April 10: Kidnap, rating 24.5) was 2nd and Dallas (April 12: Terms of Estrangement, rating 22.1) was 6th. The Cosby Show was a repeat on April 11. No Murder, She Wrote on April 14. May 2, 1985: A Price to Pay, rating 17.8, 9th for the week. The Cosby Show (May 2: Mr. Quiet (episode 23), rating 25.5) was #1, Dallas (May 3: Deed and Misdeeds, rating 21.4) was 3rd, and Falcon Crest (May 3: And the Fall, rating 18.3) was 6th. Murder, She Wrote season 1 finale was April 21. No Dynasty on May 1. May 9, 1985: One Day in a Row, rating 19.2, 7th for the week. Finished ahead of Falcon Crest (May 10: Cold Comfort, rating 19.1). The Cosby Show (May 9: Cliff’s Birthday (season 1 finale), rating 24.1) was #1, Dallas (May 10: Deliverance, rating 22.6) was 2nd, and Dynasty (May 8: The Heiress, rating 21.9) was 3rd. May 16, 1985: Vulnerable, rating 20.2, 6th for the week. Dallas (May 17: Swan Song (season 8 finale), rating 27.5) was #1, Dynasty (May 15: Royal Wedding (season 5 finale), rating 25.9) was 2nd, and Falcon Crest (May 17: Confessions, rating 22.0) was 4th.

Yikes! The last time I looked through a SOD, the issue wasn't even 100 pages and the paper quality was flimsy. If we're keeping it real SOD hasn't really been relevant for the better part of the last 25 years. I'll forever maintain that the internet made the soap press obsolete.

Ratings for Lana Turner episodes and how they compared to the rest of the primetime soaps. February 19, 1982: Family Reunion, rating 25.2, 3rd for the week. Finished ahead of Dynasty (February 17: The Iago Syndrome, rating 21.3) and Knots Landing (February 18: Reunion, rating 16.5). Dallas (February 19: Adoption, rating 29.9) was #1. This episode was the highest rated episode of the series. November 12, 1982: Home Away from Home, rating 20.4, 11th for the week. Dynasty (November 10: The Wedding, rating 25.8) was 3rd and Dallas (November 12: Hit and Run, rating 24.7) was 4th. No Knots Landing on November 11. December 17, 1982: United We Stand..., rating 21.5, 10th for the week. Finished ahead of Dynasty (December 15: La Mirage, rating 21.3) and Knots Landing (December 16: Abby's Choice, rating 18.4). Dallas (December 17: Barbecue Three, rating 26.2) was #1. December 31, 1982: ...Divided We Fall, rating 16.6, 31st for the week. Finished ahead of Knots Landing (December 30: Block Party, rating 16.3). Dynasty (December 29: The Locket, rating 19.3) was 16th and Dallas (December 31: Mama Dearest, rating 18.3) was 24th. January 7, 1983: Pas de Deux, rating 23.2, 10th for the week. Finished ahead of Dynasty (January 5: The Search, rating 22.5) and Knots Landing (January 6: Cutting the Ties that Bind, rating 17.9). Dallas (January 7: The Ewing Blues, rating 25.7) was 4th. March 11, 1983: Climax (season 2 finale), rating 23.7, 4th for the week. Finished ahead of Knots Landing (March 10: Willing Victims (season 4 finale), rating 20.6). Dallas (March 11: The Sting, rating 27.7) was #1 and Dynasty (March 9: Fathers and Sons, rating 25.2) was 3rd.