P.J.

I saw Mikey tweet about it. I don't really know anything about it and don't Netflix. But I'm happy for Mikey as always.

Actually, Lowe should come before Munson. Carly supposedly was forced to marry Winston when she first went to Hong Kong, thus invalidating her marriages to Hal, John and Brad.

Well, maybe us "crazy CarJackers" can be absolved of "getting her fired". No one should have their career tanked through the good ol' boys network, but it's hard to envision her as NCIS' Kate, for example.

I believe I missed the word. But I wouldn't consider Susan "punished" for her desire---she was an ambitious woman who married for prestige and then got pregnant to save the marriage. Any woman who wanted a career at the time seems to have been portrayed as a bitch and punished for valuing that over a happy domestic life and children. Susan, Sandy (who was married to Bob but wanted to model), Kim (the tart lounge singer who got knocked up) and even Jennifer, who earned Nancy's disapproval for wanting to continue nursing. It does seem though that no one got married because they were happily in love with who they married.

Hah! Came up with one....Barbara Garrick

Its hard to reconcile the Kim we all remember (and who at that point was a grown woman) as someone so pressured by society that she'd married a man she had zero sexual interest in and then staying in that marriage for years. The only trope that hasn't changed though is guys screwing with zero consequence.

You're judging '70's tropes by modern standards. Abortion wasn't legal until 73. Kim only married John to cover up her ONS with Bob, and she wasn't screwing John, he raped her and she got pregnant with Andy. But when that happened, marital rape wasn't even recognized. I'm a little fuzzy on the entire Paul/Liz/Dan/Susan thing, but there again, younger characters never would've been shown openly cohabitating without marriage. I'm sure ATWT "behind the times" by 70's standards, but even on All in the Family, Gloria and Mike were married and enjoying sex, not single and screwing. And yeah, I'm sure Kim and Jen's mom wasn't killed by Ellen. Their mother isn't listed in the character appearances in the book, so I assume she never appeared on air.

I don't think we saw John and Lucinda's nuptials. It was sprung on everyone as a surprise, iirc.

To prop Howarth's ridiculous man child Paul. Ugh...as much as I'd hated Goutman's Craig, I'd have KILLED to get more Park/West scenes with Bryce. KILLED.

Yeah, Craig was probably always near the top of most requested returns, but Oakdale hadn't "moved on" and made Craig obsolete. He'd only been gone 5 or 6 years. His contemporaries were still on the canvas, his family was still there. I wouldn't have objected to an edgier version of Craig, had he been written with any complexity. Not the misogynistic, lazy, consciousless [!@#$%^&*] Goutman and Block conspired to put onscreen. If that's what Goutman, et al wanted---they might as well have brought back Tonio Reyes and Peter Boynton. Boynton wouldn't have broken the bank and Tonio was a using douchebag asshat.

Sigh...I'll never stop hating how Goutman just never understood who Craig was.

There was a point during Bryce's run where his story consisted of making the rounds, checking on the women in his life, from Lyla on down Oh, and at the end, Craig was also trying to get Lily into bed, as I recall.

Constance Towers in there somewhere, right? Who played Roger Thorpe's father Adam? Robert Milli?

Millette Alexander? Who's the doctor behind her?

I wouldn't have called Lily, Pam or Julie "teens". They were young adults. I think Caleb had a pattern of being attracted to somewhat more impressionable females, while Ellie's type was an older, established man.

Seth-Iva-Caleb-Ellie-Holden-Meg I've always understood it to be that after Seth was born, Emma was told she couldn't have more kids. That's why they decided to adopt Iva. There may have been some confusion due to Iva appearing before Seth, or the writers might have shifted it once Seth was cast. I can't be sure why I think Caleb is older, but I always have.

Well...Bonnie? They could've at least shopped him around a little. And ditto to the idea he shafted to grab Howarth.

Ugh.. Rose. Aside from the fact it gave MB license to be loud and obnoxious (where Lily was pious and obnoxious), and seemed to be a previee of Janet Ciccone, ATWT made a huge mistake rewriting and whitewashing her. She went from guttersnipe to Saint, and lost anything that made her notjustLilyinawig. I always felt bad for Holroyd, who got stuck with her from minute one.

Pooh...Cosgrove was wonderful on GL as Bill. They just wasted him on the likes of Olivia and Beth. Chase and Jorgensen were horrible. Korver, in retrospect, wasn't bad. Bruce. ..eh.

Ducky? He barely counts. There was a line around the block of Chrises.

Damn it, I knew there had to be someone...How could I forget pedophile Chris? Okay, him I thought was a block of wood.

Bruce and Daniel Cosgrove weren't the problem, imo. Shitty writing was. (Am I forgetting someone between Korver and Bruce?) I didn't think Bruce and MS (Allison) had an ounce of chem, and while DC fit in the Hughes dynamic, sticking him with Katie was a huge turnoff.

Didn't Duncan run it as a casino for awhile? I seem to recall something about Shannon escaping from him out a port hole or something.

You're getting businesses and fashion lines confused. Lisa and Babs were partners in the retail store, Fashions. Barbara's business was BRO and labels were BRO and Simply Barbara. I don't think Lisa and Barbara dissolved their partnership in Fashions until the sh*** hit the fan about Babs having James kidnap Carly, Em and Rose. Carly tried countless times to either design her own line or design for BRO. After Carly lost her baby, she left for Hong Kong to start Get Real, financed by Lisa. When Craig married Barb, he was also going behind her back to get try and her to accept some of Carly's designs. Then Carly convinced Ro to bankroll her while she was separated from Jack while pregnant with Sage. Then when Barb was designing crap, Paul hired her to ghost design for BRO. Poor Carly, she never got more than a taste of success before ending in disaster. Meanwhile, Jen took razor blades to jeans and was declared a SUCCESS. I don't recall either Brock or Darryl having anything to do with fashion. And no, at the end, Babs wasn't designing. I don't think she ever really did after the fire and kidnapping scandal.