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I don't think Chando and Roerig dated IRL. I thought Chando in particular was undervalued in Landon's wake. And tying in the reveal of Maddie's rape to the ridiculous Slasher story was....unfortunate. While I never agreed Jack's rape was "played for laughs", I do agree both rapes were trivialized by the low brow antics surrounding them. The less said about Simon and the kiss ass Paul Leyden returns, the better. While IDGAFF that it torched Katie, I loathed that Carly looked like a complete fool taking his crap. While Marland used short returns to enhance story, Sheffer/Pissy/Goutman ended up torching the show trying to lure people back with " fan favs" and crap story.

1. Not on camera, as I remember. 2. I think it had a lot to do with ATWT hoping BH would return. As I recall, there was some kind of gap between finding out Hal had left and finding out he was undercover as the Lombard chauffeur. And then that he wasn't dead. And having to maintain the fiction that Hal was dead created conflict for Tom with Margo and Babs.

Those are listed. Episodes were preempted the rest of that week and resumed the following Monday.

Yep. There's barely a difference. Whether its LA, Salem or Port Chuck, POC get less story wise disappear with little fanfare.

I wouldn't say Marland got away from the concept of "have nots". Yes, in the '90's, Emma's eternal farm struggles quit being a plot, but there were other people introduced---the Hutchinsons, the kids of the Earl Mitchell Center, Julie, Duke, Jess' family who felt like she "got out" and left them behind, Hal's Kentucky roots, etc. Granted they may not have "invaded" Oakdale ala the Snyders, but it was a more balanced show than the herd of doctor/lawyers at the beginning of the '80's. And I still rankle at it being called an "invasion" of Snyders. Yes, Emma, Holden, Iva and Meg were introduced in the first four months of Marland's tour. Seth appears from 86-88 (and returns from 91-94), but Caleb and Ellie show up in 88 and Meg leaves in early 89. I'm sure you could point to numerous families (ala the Montgomerys or McColl's) who showed up in a similar roll out.

I assume that was for the '93 season, which probably included a lot of fallout from Holden losing his memory and finding out Aaron's paternity. Just looking at the nominees, its one of the few years the "usual suspects" didn't dominate the list. Slezak and Lucci aren't nom'd, and the its only year that decade neither one made the list. The noms that year were HBS, Julia Barr, Dano, Hutchinson for GL and Widdoes

I think its an unfortunate kind of synergy. Marland loved to write her as the wounded bird to be protected at all costs, and Byrne kind of honed in on adding an entitled, self righteousness that grated over time. After Lily gave Hope up without as much as giving him the opportunity to say goodbye, he should've divorced her ass AND taken the kids.

My guess would be that Marland was ghostwriting parts of the show before his official debut. Because the story has always been that he created the Snyders, who were based on his own family.

Maybe it was more of a shift in character than most---but you also have to remember it was over a 30 year period with Zenk in the role. (the character was a presence on and off since the early seventies...)

I'm probably forgetting things---Im sure Babs must have schemed something. Didn't she bring Duncan to town to bust up Brian/Shannon?

I understand Marland's move. There wasn't any place to go with Barbara keeping her the Perils of Pauline victim heroine. I think it was more about attitude than being "a schemer". What did Babs ever scheme under Marland, other than fake bedding Tom? She had affairs, she hated Margo and Emily.... otherwise I'm drawing a blank.

John and Barbara bonded during some search for Lisa, IIRC. Or it was something to do with Martin Chedwyn. I can see on paper where it might seem like it could work, but Bryggman and Zenk had zero chemistry. That said, little Johnny's death was one well executed and deeply moving. Re: Jake....eh, I wasn't anti-Jake, but man did he eat a lot of screen time. Rebecca Hollen was Pat Kingsley, I don't recall any other Kingsley's. Didn't Duncan also know her and her husband?

If there was an odd name among Emma's children, it was Holden. Everyone else has an old fashioned/biblical name. Ellie's name was Eleanor and Meg was short for Margaret. Adding to the confusion was the actor's real names. There was Lisa, and Lisa Brown. Tom Wiggin and Tom Hughes. Scott Defrietas, Scott Bryce and Scott Eldredge. Ellen Dolan/Ellen Stewart .Andrew Kavovit playing Andy's best friend Paul. If twitter had been around then....Lord, what a mess...

Now I'm blanking on the order of Lucinda's marriages. I remember some interview Marland gave where he said he just loved the hard "k" sound. In addition to Kirk, Cal, Connor, Caleb there was Crawford, Kruger, Kramer (although I'm fuzzy on whether Duke's mother was actually on the show in the past), Cummings, McKechnie, Converse, Keller, Kasnoff, and probably others we've forgotten. (not to mention naming Carly). And the L thing, now that Jarrod brought it up. I think he said his staff had to ride heard on him at times. I was unclear. Royce's butler didn't date Ellen. It just got confusing when Royce and Emily would have various conversations about their respective "Graham/Gram's".

I don't think we ever got the specifics on why Lily was a "Walsh". IIRC, Lucy's Walsh marriage was short. She kept the name...perhaps she simply just changed Lily's name so that it was the same as hers. You can't help but have some overlap in names. When they chose "James" Walsh for Mr Walsh, I don't think James Stenbeck was on the show. And Evan never went by James. It may have been overkill to have both of Dan Stewart's grandchildren named for him, although they were only ever in town briefly together ( and Daniel was rarely more than a lump on someone's arm). I found similar sounding names more bothersome. I remember at one time we had Kirk, Cal, Connor and Craig in town and Kirk, Cal and Connor were constantly conversing in corporate matters. Then there was the Graham(Royce's butler)/Gram (Emily's name for Ellen) when they were together, that even the writers made fun of.

I don't recall either Mr Walsh appearing (her husband or her stepson, who wouldve been Evan's father). Rita Lloyd did play Edwina Walsh, Connor and Evan's mother. And one if the InTurn winners played Evan Walsh IV, which would've made him Evan's son.

Carolyn Crawford was a big ol' fail. Wouldn't consider Adelaide or Evan fails. Adelaide wasn't meant to be anything other than Kirk's confidant, and clue us in with teases about Kirk's past. Loved Susan Brown in the role. Evan wasn't Lucinda's half brother, she was his step- grandmother, Royce (played by Terry Lester) was. Evan was kind of wasted as the also-ran in the Andy-Courtney romance, and always seemed somewhat in Connor's shadow. It wasn't until his affair with Barbara that he came into his own, and that got cut short by Greg's accident.

Evan and Carly interacted? No recollection of this whatsoever. It wasn't so much their characters that failed, it was story. James, Margo, Craig, Steve, Dusty, revitalizing Tom, Barbara and Betsy all impacted the show positively. (feel free to correct me, I'm a little fuzzy on the Dobson's exact tenure) It was their brand of story that didn't fit ATWT in the long run. Mr Big, Barbara's six month hallucinations about the 1700's---I STILL remember how hard I rolled my eyes at that as a preteen---Bilan----that crap was a huge axis shift away from what always distinguished ATWT as a family drama. Yes, it was in part the vogue thing to do, trying to copy GH's success, but like you said it was too rapid and (I don't know...) inorganic(?).

I know Jennifer found out, and that John knew, but was Bob and Kim's ONS like "public knowledge"?

Im always a little surprised MH didn't pop up on another show after GL. I think his is the definitive Ed, in spite of Simon having the role forever. Probably why I can't picture Maeve doing that! Lol. I don't seem to recall them ever mentioning it either, but then again, successive regimes seemed determined to forget Rita all together.

Ahhhh...see...asked and answered. That makes sense. Yes, what I quickly skimmed was something about Vanessa having/knowing about Rita's last address and a letter, yadda yadda. I might actually check that out. TYVM.

I mean, I watched a lot of CBS soaps for a long time. (I dont precisely remember LOL, SFT, or EON) I don't feel compelled to really discuss them. (yes, I'm a little ashamed to admit the Danny Romalotti concerts were must see summer watching, back in the day, or how badly I crushed on GLs Phillip or Capitol's Jordy) ATWT was always the one show I refused to miss. Although, quick question about GL. I don't recall Ed and Vanessa being involved. Who was playing Ed? I just can't see Mart Hulswit with Maeve Kincaid.

I understand the urge to feel the negative overwhelms....but we wouldn't be discussing the show seven years after cancellation, if we didn't love it. I make no apology for loving the Marland years, but I also accept the criticisms of it. (As anyone who sat through the Carolyn Crawford murder mess would have to...) And I think the Snyders were awesome. Even if their love lives were basically one long game of tag. And CarJack RULES.

Now that you say that, that sounds right.

That's definitely not Eddie Earl Hatch, but he doesn't look at all familiar. Perhaps he was Kim's date? It was over at the MediaDomain board. They gave lots of characters nicknames. Holdumb/Holden, St (or Officer)JackAss/Jack, Snarly/Carly, etc. Katie was often referred to as Barbie (because of her looks). Then because her stories always seemed lightweight or filler type plots, (and at one point I believe she actually did have a rabbit named Fluffy) we started calling her Fluffy (or FlufferNutter if she was chasing her man) . Also Bubbles, because that was Henry's nickname for her. Just read an interview with Tamara Tunie where she likens Sheffer to Marland. Mind boggling to say the least. Its a new interview where she talks a little about her role on Dietland.