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The video for "Christmas Tree Farm" was...cute. Too bad the song had to ruin it though. (Maybe Taylor SHOULD stick to writing songs about her ex-boyfriends.)

Even worse, they rewrote Jonathan's background to justify his brooding manner as an adult. Richard and Reva were made to look like fools for leaving their son in the care of abusive creep like Alfred Randall.

Honestly...? No. They weren't. In fact, I can safely say that they were among the MANY characters who drove me, along with many other, longtime fans, from the show for good. And I say that as someone who hung in with GL even during the Jackson Freemont/Simon Hall years. IA. And I think that was the show's original intention, too: to use Edmund as the antagonist in the original San Cristobal story, then dispose of him, along with everyone else connected to the island and that storyline. Unfortunately, TPTB soon changed their minds.

"Pics or it didn't happen"?

If it wasn't about the Santoses or the San Cristobal crew, then TPTB didn't give a [!@#$%^&*].

"My skin be ashy -- but not with Oil of Olay!" But seriously. No, I don't remember that commercial. To think there was a time when seeing your favorite soap stars pop up in stuff away from daytime (like Don Diamont basically doing a deodorant or shower commercial in the nude) was a treat. Now, I see someone from DAYS or GH in a Lifetime movie and I'm ready to cry.

I can't remember whether Michael Tylo was up for returning full-time. If he wasn't, though, then I agree that they should've killed off Quint -- or, at least, had him PRESUMED dead from one of his archaeological missions, in case he had changed his mind later. I certainly wouldn't have suggested that Quint had cheated on Nola. That never made any sense, lol. In the end, I just think PGP (or CBS) was interfering too much and too often with Curlee's work, forcing Curlee to "retire." PGP/CBS had an amazing thing going -- and who knows? If they had just left things well enough alone, GL might've come very close to unseating Y&R as the ratings leader. But -- oh, well -- at least it was good while it lasted. :(

Agree. The truth is, men have traditionally been explored more fully on soaps than they have in any other genre of storytelling. You try writing characters as complex as Roger Thorpe or Alan Spaulding for a feature-length film or even a primetime series and see how far you get.

Thanks, @Soaplovers!

If that's the case, then what do you think the Democrats should do, going into the 2020 election? Like you said, we can't go after his record, because his supporters don't care. But, we can't exactly ignore him either. So, what should we do? Because, even though I believe Trump will get re-elected, that doesn't mean I think the Democrats should just roll up their tents now and forget about next November.

IIRC, wasn't that storyline written out of necessity, due to Marcy Walker's being unavailable for some reason?

I don't want to say Hillary was a BAD candidate, or a FLAWED one, but...the GOP and the media had done a masterful job turning her and her husband into a modern-day Bonnie and Clyde. Ergo, not only were her hands tied, because she's a woman; but also, they were tied, because she's Hillary Clinton. She couldn't go after Trump the way she probably should've, because it wouldn't have been "ladylike," and because doing so only would've reinforced people's negative opinions about her. In fact, I feel like she almost HAD to stand by and react passively to the attacks on her throughout the campaign, because the decades of bad press and ingrained public opinions had left her with no other options.

Yes, it is gratifying to see Biden and Pelosi stand up to the trash. How sad is it, though, we have to single them out and commend them for behavior or attitudes that should be the norm? We (and by "we," of course, I mean those of us on the left) should have been standing up to/shouting down the right all along. We should have followed the lead of none other than the late Sen. John McCain, who (in)famously took away a microphone at a campaign appearance from a woman (and likely Trump voter) who was so concerned about his then-opponent, Barack Obama, because she'd heard he was "an Arab." McCain didn't cuss her out or anything; he just told her, in so many words, to have a seat! It's just like when I was in school, and I was being bullied constantly by classmates, and all the adults could say was, "Ignore them, and they'll leave you alone." Well, I tried taking that high road. I ignored them, believing that, by not coming down to their level, I was winning. But do ya think they left me alone? In the end, the only way I made my bullies leave me alone was to stand, and to fight. Otherwise, I knew I'd never stand a chance of surviving. Democrats need to stop "going high," because all that's done is guarantee us another four years of President [!@#$%^&*] Trump. Between the GOP's hypocrisy and our own, stubborn refusal to turn the fingers of blame back on them with this Purity Olympics b.s., we've lost true fighters like Al Franken, who had a real chance of stopping that man in his tracks way before now. Moreover, people who might have voted Democrat in this and the last election won't, because, in "going high," we've made ourselves look weak at best, out-of-touch at worst, and unappealing to them either way. Democrats need to stop being polite, and Start. Getting. Real.

I've watched enough trashy soaps in my lifetime to know that sometimes you have to fight fire WITH fire.

I'm saying it again, because it NEEDS to be said again: Mayor Pete seems like a nice guy, but the longer he stays in this fight, the more the fight will tarnish him. He Needs. To Go.

She's more cut out for that line of work anyway.

Frankly, I'm surprised the majority of the MSM decided against travelling down the "She's too Black!"/"She's not Black enough!" path that they tend to travel with most other candidates of color. I mean, I'm sure there were SOME complaints, on BOTH sides of the proverbial aisle, but probably nowhere near as much as I had expected at the outset.

I just think Kamala had had enough.

Shemar Moore's work in the storyline with Keesha was probably some of the best of his entire career.

As mad as I'll be if/when is Trump is re-elected, I won't be surprised, because it's like what @DramatistDreamer says upthread: this country has the leader(s) it deserves; and either no one in charge wants to fix what is clearly broken, or they don't know how, or they THINK they know how, but their solutions to the troubles crippling our entire democratic process are outlandish and impractical. Oh, well. Maybe Gen Z will figure out what to do...or not.

Feel the BURN, lol. Meanwhile, here's an article about Fox News being its' usual, (un)fair and (im)balanced self: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/fox-news-personalities-continue-to-stump-for-gop-candidates/2019/12/03/7bbae48c-1525-11ea-9110-3b34ce1d92b1_story.html

Is it just me, or does anyone else think there's a new Judy Garland biopic every year? How many times do we need to rehash Judy, her (gay) husbands and her many, many pills?