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There are plenty of ways to make Joss (and Eden) work IMO. But none of them involve her being the central teen queen. They've tried and tried and it just doesn't happen.

I don't have a problem with them trying Gio with Trina. He's a cute kid and the show needs new non-core family blood. (And I guess tested for Aiden before Teschner suggested they bring him on as someone new.) My problem is just what others have said: They had to be held at gunpoint to make Trina into more than "Joss' ethnic best friend" (a la Starr and Langston on FV's OLTL) when the pairing with Spencer took off, and they still refuse to prioritize her or TA when Tabyana is easily the strongest young actress on the show IMO. Those scenes at Spencer's grave showed real grace and interest from the now-exiting creative team, but it was ultimately all she got before PM quit. And that's because this show is deeply uncomfortable frontburnering Black characters, and needs them to be in second position to Joss and others. And I don't even dislike Eden - I think she works hard even if she's not exactly Kimberly McCullough. She could play a more nuanced, scheming or comic Joss. I buy the bond between Eden and Tabyana onscreen. But she can't lead the show.

A question I routinely ask these days.

I truly do not, sir/madam; you just say obnoxious stuff. You came at BF's comments sneering 'where are these Patrick Mulcahey special episodes?' You knew exactly what you were doing, you just wanted everyone to know you alone are the bold truthteller of these boards. The good news is soon you can go back to doing the inverse of your recent activity, and resume attacking everyone else's posts for their complaining about the mediocre to bad soaps, which makes up the bulk of your posting history. No, I don't lay in wait. But I do have a long memory.

Cool. No one cares. Just say you wanted to pick a fight with BetterForgotten and go.

I can't imagine why anyone needs AI for that.

Why are we even posting what we talked to AI about? What does this have to do with GH spoilers?

With the tragically brief Patrick Mulcahey era ending at GH, I am back on the Knots grind while also tackling Dallas' dream season c/o Peter Dunne for the infamous Lorimar creative swap year! I'll talk about it more soon in fulsome and bloated terms absolutely no one asked for, but I will say the show is already a bit more arch in its first episode. I'll probably keep my Dallas comments to its thread, which is no stranger to my diss tracks for the show. I hope the dream season defies my expectations. I'm very curious to see how this strange creative switch affects each show's DNA. I also need to remember where the hell the Empire Valley story left off, and who is left at Galveston Industries (besides Sumner and the now absent Ava Gardner) who could know about the still-murky circumstances surrounding why that one exec did all this for Abby. Props to Laura for apparently diving back into real estate and securing another job in uh, 24-72 hours.

If you think you've seen this movie before, you're not alone.

Hayden sucks.

As someone else noted, I think it's likely just

I honestly thought the scripts nosedived pretty quick in 2012, but I haven't watched that stuff in ages. Those first six months with Connie, McBain's instant dead sister, etc. were beyond brutal. It was the water crisis in the fall that got me fully hooked. But yes, they did dump virtually all the longtime writers fast.

He's voiced by Dom DeLuise. As is often the case, that's all anyone needs to know. If you're curious I believe Pluto TV (and the 24/7 YouTube stream) often runs many of the Season 13 episodes on their MST3K channel.

I saw a clip of this the other day and hoped to never see it again. Thank you for bringing it back into my life. Wishman is possibly more scarring than the new MST3K season's already-infamous Munchie.

This is generally how I feel. But I still don't want either of them to be HWs again lol. I'm not over how Mulcahey was treated, and the show actually having intelligent dialogue again.

Oh, I forgot all about JJY coming back.

I will say I had a soft spot for D&C for a long time because of their sense of humor online as people, and their other work. I just don't think they were or are remotely ready for the long haul HWing a soap. I'm sure many of the people I think are terrible HWs are lovely people; many actors swore by Jean Passanante's day to day or breakdown work. But her HW stints are some of the worst I've ever seen anywhere. While I have zero interest in working in soaps vs. what I do, what you describe is one reason I always kept my life carefully partitioned. If I'd ever gotten the call you would see me nuke as much of my online soap fan footprint as possible lol. Including this post! In other news, FV appears to have hinted at

It's explicit that it's a returning male, and it sounds like they meant an actor based on the wording. Of course this is Frank so he could just mean Roger Howarth #4.

I never cared about Liz and Jason (which felt like an also-ran of Jason and Robin) in the '90s, but I thought the 2000s revisit was very interesting (and sexy). This was a married woman with several kids who lived a domestic life, had given up her youthful career dreams for her children - a realistic picture that soaps rarely show. But she still had a passion for the dangerous man who got away, and he still wanted her. They fell back together when they were in two very different worlds and she gave him his first child. That's great story. The problem is that once Kelly Monaco re-signed they couldn't get away from it fast enough, because Frons loved her and Guza II was all about the leather jacket ride or die deal with Jason and Sam. Even though Sam has never been more interesting than in that period when she became a villainess and schemer. I've not been remotely interested in Jason and Liz since, or Jason and anyone. I think the moment has come and gone. But with the right writing, who knows? Unfortunately I think the right writer just left the building, so I'm disinterested.

The one thing I liked about that was that they made him part of the firmament - had him hosting the Christmas party at GH and singing to the kids, going by Steve Webber, etc. It just felt appropriate given the legacy. But yeah, he was only cast to give Steve Burton's buddy a job. I'd probably bring Steve back recast sometime but I always struggle over who's more viable, him or Tom Hardy. You can't really have both.

Another reason not to engage with soap twitter or take them as gospel opinions.

I'd forgotten Supertrain was the immortal Dan Curtis, who always bet big and walked away whether he had a hit or a giant flop. Of course. Insane that Robert Cobert did that (incredibly catchy) deranged first theme song. I'll be shocked if Dan didn't find a way to get Roger Davis, John Karlen or Nancy Barrett on the show somewhere.

I know Tony Geary (and maybe others) talked about Monty giving O'Brien and others hell on set. I thought she did a very good job in all the material I've seen with her. I thought the Lana/Lisa twin saga (where IIRC Jeff though he was tangled up with twins but it turned out to be DID) and the tornado that killed Diana and Peter's daughter and brought in David Hamilton all kicked off around the same time. But it sounds like from what's been recently discussed that maybe one set of brief writers (Elman?) brought in Lana/Lisa earlier. By the end of the year I think Marland had arrived just before the new year, introduced Bobbie and kicked the split personality story out. I remember we were wondering not long ago if maybe the prior writers had introduced "Nurse Barbara" (as she was initially called onscreen) just before Marland, but Jackie always claimed it was definitely him who introduced her. I remember a bit of posted archival material - probably on here, probably in this thread but I can't remember - seeming to detail the swift wrap-up of the Lana/Lisa story but I can't put my hands on where and what it said.

I'll simply say the recent Netflix and Gizmoplex/Kickstarter revival seasons are pretty good and leave it at that! You can find many of those episodes playing for free on MST's Pluto channel (and one new MST classic, Carnival Magic, features GL's Don Stewart).