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Surprising to hear about Lar Park Lincoln, she was awfully young. Like soap fans, the horror world never forgets; she was always royalty there. It's been especially gratifying for me this last decade to see so many daytime stars from cancelled soaps embraced by the horror fandom who remember their early work after their soap careers have largely ended, but Lincoln was ahead of the curve. I look forward to seeing her Knots run in time, which seems a world away from her mousy Carrie-esque character in Friday the 13th.

I disagree, I think he's great with Sara.

The many scenes discussing Dana's troublesome dead spouse (Alan) do not seem coincidence to me. I do think there is more there.

Not Derelict!

They were wise to keep Jay Ferguson beyond his role as an early spoiler for Darlene and David, once it became clear Galecki was not going to return. Ferguson is such an amazing actor and very similar to Goodman, and was wonderful with Sara.

I've only begun getting back to it recently on Netflix after Season 2, but I'm glad it had a long, solid run and got to go out on its own terms. I do wish Michael Fishman had appeared this season and hadn't been phased out.

I have never heard an unkind word about Cameron tbh. I just think his skills are with this kind of character, be it a roguish scoundrel or someone worse (like the current Drew).

Again: Some of us have been sensibly critiquing this show all along. It's not an all or nothing proposition.

I agree with all of the above. The difference is that this time last year Patrick Mulcahey was clearly using it to refashion him directly in the old school Ryan Lavery mold, except during the Gillian years- a sort of cocky, scheming, gladhanding rogue who might get his comeuppance in the mess with Nina and Willow, and seemed (IMO) poised to end up falling for his frenemy Nina, and remain a more palatable male lead with these characteristics. Now Drew is just a straight up dick. But I think Cameron does both takes very well.

Grey's and most medical shows since make ER (its first to middle years, at least) look like Hill Street Blues IMO. The Pitt is certainly closer to ER - in patient and staff banter, style, etc. - than any of them. And I think everything you mention above was also certainly all there in ER. Especially interaction with patients from all walks of life. My understanding of Crichton's estate demands, at least per press reports, is that they were fairly cut and dried based on the original contract, and Zaslav's WB just didn't want to do it. I think it's tacky. That being said, could I have seen a place in this cast for many ER characters other than John Carter? No. So it really doesn't matter that much to me, other than I wish they'd done the basic due diligence if Crichton's estate was owed that. I think it was silly not to. And I absolutely think the show/Max/WB will settle too. The show is solid and it will go on.

I'm sure those are out there, but I see more people trying to dress it up and pretend it is not what it is, which is simply a very well-done classical medical drama (with the real-time 24-style treatment) which really should be paying ER's late creator some royalties. Some folks want to pretend it's some new revolution in medical TV, but while it may prove in time to be as influential as ER was on it and other shows it is almost all the same people behind the scenes and in Wyle's case in front of the camera. They're all doing good work, but it is not changing the paradigm. It's a reversion to the classical paradigm of TV for me. Anyway, I did finish it and it is very worth a watch. Shawn Hatosy and Fiona Dourif are especially good (her father Brad Dourif cameos), as is the always-excellent Wyle and Katherine LaNasa as the charge nurse.

I love Smitty's wacky Star Trek vest tops. They make him look like one of those guys who they'd always come across running a starbase or something. The bullying storyline is well-intentioned but tedious at present. All they do is sit around talking about what is happening offscreen with the weird mix of very current or at times very cringe youthspeak combined with Bell-style expository dialogue. It could build by having Martin or Smitty (or both) end up in an altercation with either one of the bullying kids or an ásshole parent which ends in grievous bodily harm or a death, possibly with Tyrell or Samantha in on it. (Seriously, it has been 20 years, why can we not cuss on this forum.) Then that could create another cover-up which ties into Martin's current secret.

I don't think Martin was ever seriously going to be depicted running for POTUS, so I don't think it's an issue. I do love the hilarious Tide plugs. All that's needed next is for the Tide to literally spoon in between Dani and Andre post-coital. "I don't play games, Dre. Not on the runway, not in business and not with these fine linens. I'm about that Oxi Boost."

That's been a problem for the better part of 25 years.

I don't see Martin as playing str8 at all tbh. But I do think his intimacy and rapport with Smitty/Mike Manning onscreen has improved by leaps and bounds since the first month or two, when he came off like a cold, robotic controlling spouse.

I'm not bright enough to follow the hidden meaning here, feel free to spell it out.

I actually like the Martin/Dani bond. I think they could play it more because he comes off like the straight (don't!) man to her antics and has kind of a droll, amused reaction to her business while she gets to be kooky but fun with him. It helps that BC has seriously improved.

You want to watch a show that repeats its exposition and story points repeatedly? Watch Edge of Night, lol. Those folks love to sit around talking about the prophetic dreams April Scott had last month. I am enjoying EON 1980 immensely and it's a great show, but classical and at times awkward recapping was Henry Slesar's best friend some weeks.

Did Drew Q rape anybody? Is he a serial killer? Or is he just an ásshole? Because the latter doesn't mean he's irredeemable. If he's the only organic source of conflict currently on the show I'd still keep him around awhile, even if I do think any hopes of making him be a viable white hat/grey romantic lead with Nina a la last spring, etc. are done. But a good soap always needs a natural scoundrel to make trouble, same as Ava or Ric. Making him Shiloh with plastic surgery would be typical stupid-ass GH.

They feel like a horrific network note. And I get it. A show is going to need white faces on CBS Daytime. But there are so many better options on that front (starting with bringing on Pamela's family AFAIC, or Joey's). The instant Derek or Ashley turn up I start browsing online.

I'm just astonished you have a cast of a show like this where most of them seem to get along and don't hate each other's guts, lol. Melrose Place was the same way, bless them.

I've been pretty tough on the dialogue (in fact, I linked to it!) and some of the actors for a lotta weeks. I think Kat/Tomas is DOA regardless of the terrible actor playing Tomas. People are right there are no major new couples vs. established marriages. I also think the saga of Doug, Jon Lindstrom and the Golden Corral Casino is profoundly boring, though I do like Vanessa with Joey. I think Derek and Ashley are abominable. I could go on! But that's all typical soap fumbles, particularly a very new show. I don't think there's anything wrong with being heavily or harshly critical of elements of the show, because I have been. But getting into a bubble where we think the sturm und drang around here reflect the larger audience response just isn't true, at least not in the case of BTG and not so far. If you lived by the extreme polarity in this thread and grand declarations in this thread all but titled "Breaking My Silence", you'd think the show has to shape up or ship out by June. That's not happening. Or you'd think a huge bulk of the audience also hates Dani. Not happening. I am not saying we can't or shouldn't critique it, but I think assuming the wildly divergent range of SON takes on here speaks to the larger audience isn't a wise barometer. My primary issues are the very volatile dialogue, a few bum stories or repetitive cycles (Dani's spirals) and some of the dreadful actors. But all that can fix itself up. That is what I am banking on, frankly. Though I also haven't seen anything apocalyptically bad in the last few weeks (barring Derek/Ashley, and Tomas).

Lord, y'all are dramatic. I am a few days behind so I need to catch up, but I never thought this show was perfect. Nor did I say so, including in the first week which had some very rocky stuff lol. It is not that serious. I have been meaning to do a run-down on the larger program for a week or two but I've been preoccupied by IRL stuff. I will stick by what I've said at length before about my issue with the B&B brand of declarative/expository dialogue that may be out of the old Bell family school. I don't think it works here, especially with younger, greener actors. And I think there has been a sleepy period before sweeps which is also not unusual especially with a new soap. But I don't think there's much warranted to claim this show is either a) the apex peak of soap opera or b) collapsing inward, with the sky falling upon us. Neither is true! Again, not that serious. I judge each day as it comes and I can be pretty brutal and critical about what I don't like on BTG. But I also keep perspective about the show being very new and working itself out, and I think anyone assuming that the rest of the show's audience is a fraction as critical or fickle as what's in this thread is fooling themselves. It's stayed strong both on social media and in its demos, and I don't think it is going anywhere any time soon. Whether anyone wishes it would or not. As for the things I definitely want to see change or improve, I will try to catch up on more of them and discuss them if I get done with all the shít I am juggling IRL this week.

Song Sung Blue, starring Hugh Jackman and Kate Hudson from the director of Dolemite is My Name, Hustle & Flow, Coming 2 America, etc. just got a Christmas release date. But it's worth bringing to our attention because it apparently also features OLTL's own Erika Slezak.

I don't remember any direct mention of when Anita's career ended. It is not a stretch for me to buy she dabbled in new jack swing like Aretha, Diana Ross, etc. as her music stardom wound down in the '80s or even early '90s.