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I think the wheel-spinning element is what annoys me. I don't love seeing Tracy degraded by her family or having to apologize, but the writing was at least somewhat sympathetic to her and Jane and Erika did well in their final scenes. I just wish they'd done more with the potential. And you're right, Tracy probably would have respected Martin's move once upon a time - he's just so damn annoying. I think there is more potential than ever for an AJ return, but if that isn't happening, I wish they'd brought in another woman on the canvas who could be in her twenties or early thirties - maybe following in the footsteps of what Monica was when she first arrived. I'd like to see Keesha or a daughter for Keesha too, unlikely as that is.

If anyone has access to the episode it was August 24, 2023.

I was not watching at this time. I can't see them together, but it would have been more interesting than Josh and Cassie.

And Rauch was still producer at this time!

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The bit I've seen of Borgeson seems very generic TV wife/mother, nothing that works for Alice. The reason Courtney worked well as Alice is she had a certain grit to offset any ingenue writing. There's no depth to her. Runyeon seems to be the same. I'll be honest - for many years I thought this Sally went on to play the daughter on Gimme a Break. She's made in a lab for TV casting. Neither have the qualities of the earlier Matthews actresses. I suppose this started with some of the Marianne and Alice recasts in the '70s and just with Rauch's increasingly uneven choices.

Thanks for replying. I've only seen bits of the show, so I appreciate the extra info.

RIP Pauline Collins. What did any fans here think of the spinoff she had (that would have gotten a second series if not for the strike)?

Thank you so much @slick jones . I'm surprised Amy is back on daytime. I thought I saw mention but it felt so random.

I think so, yes. The Rex retcon was garbage, as anything with "Cartini" by that stage. And it made Clint look monstrous as IIRC he had known all of this while being extremely reckless and behaving dangerously toward Rex and his own grandchild. The show passed this off as saying he was "just like Asa." [!@#$%^&*] that [!@#$%^&*]. Didn't John rape Donna, but they claimed she wanted it? Ugh.

Viki's split personalities started before he died, but that was definitely a factor in her ongoing struggles. The show made so many retcons with Victor, I'm not surprised Malone thought he could get away with one more, but there really was no story to be told. Victor was a very old, very ill man. Then he died again. What was the point? I still have a lot of issues with the retcons of Victor sexually abusing Viki and Viki killing Victor. I think it was all just too much, it basically assigned Viki's entire formative years to the pits of hell, and it helped lay a path to the Heart of a Lord fiasco. This was also a blueprint for the Tess retcons - one of the most disgusting stories ever on OLTL. Thanks. So many failures with Griffith. I remember Eddie Drueding writing about the horrible story that seemed to be done out of nowhere be done to make Maggie the heavy. By the summer of 1995, Maggie began to get very frustrated with Tomas, who was trying to hold down a job and schoolwork and who couldn't devote as much time to her as she wanted. Her attention strayed in the direction of Nick Hudson, a young punk with a chip on his shoulder the size of Maggie's ego. She found him terribly exciting and rubbed herself up against him at every opportunity. Yet she still wanted Tomas as her boyfriend. Maggie began exhibiting schizophrenic tendencies as she schemed to get *both* Nick and Tomas, at the same time. When they found out, they dumped her unceremoniously.

I do think this was the big factor (his age and appearance). He only had one small acting part after GL so I think it was probably their choice. I guess plans changed if Ethan Erickson told them he wanted to leave, then they also recast Bill. I am not sure, but I don't believe they ever intended the Santos family to be as big as they ended up being. I think the original plans were likely to keep Michelle with Jessie. Thanks for bringing up the tribute to Keith Christopher. I'd forgotten. I am surprised they remembered him, especially as everyone he interacted with was gone by 1998. He had some moving scenes with Lucy.

Iris and Steve famously got on well because she looked just like his sister.

They claimed that Cecile and Cass had had a hookup before they were in Bay City. I do wonder what the original plans for this story were, as I can't remember if they ever let viewers know that Cecile was lying until near the end of her exit. There still could have been interesting story with Cass acting like a father to Maggie as he leaned on her after Frankie's murder, but Maggie was written out not long after, and I'm not sure if she was ever even mentioned again. You're right that it would have made sense to have Cecile make a move on Cass, who was at a low (Frankie and just had another miscarriage and they were estranged). I think JFP likely did not see Cecile as attractive by that point. She really seemed to dislike the character (and most characters - just a wretched run). I didn't even remember that Stuart Brooks and Dina were meant to have a child or grandchild together. That was clearly all pointless. Is that something Josh Griffith ignores because he wasn't there then or was that Griffith?

That was all strange, yes. I can only assume someone at GL or P&G hated the twins by different fathers story and decided to retcon.

I thought of it because it was so incredibly brazen (viewers had seen James and Lucinda meeting for the first time a decade earlier) and so incredibly pointless. And just a huge mess to watch, with Liz Hubbard going hogwild, maybe because she also knew how ridiculous the material was.

James and Lucinda being lovers and having a dead child.

Five Road of Life episodes. I'm not sure if these are already around. It's hard to figure out (I finally found all the Stepmother episodes elsewhere). Ron Bowser-John Dunning Project - Road of Life : Ron Bowser-John Dunning Project : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

I didn't mind Rob Bogue, although that may be down to my finding Mark Derwin's Mallet unlikeable most of the time.

I've always thought Chris Marcantel was cute, so I get why she would, but there's nothing of interest going on. At one point the scene just has the three men yelling at each other and Diana standing there. All strangers and none of them make it past early 1983.

We get more of them than I thought we might get. I just wish she was teaching him lessons too instead of him being a moral voice to her. At least she is still allowed to hate Sonny.

I don't really dislike Wally Kurth himself. He's a bit smug onscreen but he's a decent actor and does work well with a number of people. My issue with Ned is how he was framed in the years when he was a prominent character. I think that hurt him and the Quartermaines and he was lucky to make it out of that era alive. I think anything they did with Ronnie was going to be limited in impact, although if Erika had just been a huge bitch onscreen and been killed off that could have been fun. I actually like the idea of her starting out as a relatively decent person and then turning to a scheme due to Tracy being Tracy, but she wasn't on long enough for that to have an impact and then having Tracy written off by her family (again) tips the scales too much in the writing.

I think that's part of it (and maybe they are hoping Erika will return someday), although I wonder how much is just Frank wanting to help someone he's close to after her recent loss and getting to see her play some dramatic material. Bringing in a relative for Monica along with Ronnie would have made sense, although the canvas is already so full, especially for what the Qs need (a young woman). For long-term story they should have considered it as there's nothing left now beyond more Drew vs Q stuff. I never liked him either. I always thought he was a sanctimonious ass and Ned/Alexis bored the hell out of me as a pairing. And all the singing and the leather pants...