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He was probably just mad that he wasn't involved in faking her death... Lillian being involved in the bitchiness made her look awful. Some of the available 1982 episodes have a lot of angst from Hilary, she and Tony are clearly meant to be pulled toward each other as she dates Derek. Derek is insecure about her relationships with Tony and Kelly. On paper this should be compelling, but she has no chemistry with any of them and I just go through Tony scenes in the Marland years wanting someone to kick his ass. Of any of the men in this group I thought she worked best with Derek. There's a scene I find offputting where she berates Morgan over not understanding how much Kelly loves her and how noble he is. It's very slanted writing and is part of why that triangle feels dishonest. Two mentally unstable young women are fixated on a man who is about ten years their senior. He already crossed serious lines with Morgan and made her problems worse. Yet he was written as a god.

From what has survived, I don't think it's that bad either, I think the show was just in a malaise. I don't know if OLTL was ever close to bad until maybe late Rauch. I wonder how much was down to ageism and sexism - somewhat older women were dumped in Pinkerton and Belack. Doris Quinlan was also dumped. It reads as them making Doris do their dirty work before firing her. She had worked with Doris Belack back on AW, I believe, so that must have hurt them both.

I think Lee started in spring or summer 1996. Then, IIRC, she had a high-profile contract dispute and left in 1998. Mary returned for several years before Lee took over again. I remember MEK saying he had to go back to a darkened studio to film that goodbye, which must have been horrible.

@janea4old Did you intend this for another thread?

I could have seen her on Falcon Crest. Imagine the back-and-forth with Jane Wyman. She also might have been interesting on Knots Landing, as the steely mother of some man poor Val married.

That would make a lot of sense. I was going to say that Charlie recast who was involved with Erica, but I don't know if the dates line up.

Looking at an old Locher Room clip, Jeff Phillips mentions that he screen-tested for GH and AMC before he was cast as Hart on GL. I don't think he mentioned the roles.

Thanks. I suppose I'd have to check the episodes but I was surprised she was in so many. She played the maid, Mrs. Johnson, on DS (and a few other roles - usually religious maniacs who met bad ends).

IMDB has over a hundred appearances from Clarice Blackburn from 87-92 as Ethel Spurrier. Who was this character and just how prominent was she? Is this just someone getting carried away?

Ethel Remey would have been 90 if she'd lived. I'm not sure how old Alma would be...they had aged Tom quickly but then kept him the same age for about 10-15 years. I am curious as to how Clarice Blackburn played the part. She was only 12 years older than Eileen and 30 years younger than Ethel.

I could see them just calling her a cousin and not elaborating. A child for Joe would make more sense, unless they want to say that she is Jackie's long-lost kid (although she wouldn't be called Sugden). I just hope they will do a better job than they did with John, which was a fiasco.

Thanks. Such a surprising choice. I wonder if Alma lived to meet Lien. I'd like to imagine a world where Lisa took Alma to meet Earl and Alma privately told her that she thinks Earl is a homosexual.

A nice achievement to see the thread has reached 1,000 pages. I'm forever saddened that almost all of what was apparently AW's best is gone, never to be seen again, but I've been fascinated by AW ever since I started reading AWHP in the mid '90s, which has only deepened with seeing more episodes, reading fan commentaries, realizing how groundbreaking the show was from the Rachel/Steve/Alice days to the found family days of the '80s and '90s, and marveling at just how many times AW managed to survive periods that shouldn't have been survived. I'm so glad I've been able to spend the last 15 years on here reading so many precious fan memories of moments I'll likely never see for myself.

She was born about a year before Lulu, right? Then about four years before Brook Lynn and a little more for Michael.

Chris McKenna did such a good job bringing intensity to that scene. I would have been scared too. I like Brook Lyn and Lucy scheming (this is what Lucy can be used for), although when it backfires I hope Lucy won't get the blame. I imagine this will lead Chase into Willow's bed.