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34 minutes ago, Vanguardian53 said:

But isn't Andre wishy-washy too? He does things to Dani with his tongue and he still wants to kiss Ashley too? Which, by the way, ahem, if Ashley only knew where his mouth has been.

To the tune of Sabrina Carpenter: You'll just have to taste me when he's kissin' you.

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Hayley calling Dani dried up was a stretch. But Dani let Hayley goad her into a back and forth when she should have taken Pamela's advice and left.

Ashtray was not giving any chemistry or connection at all.

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1 hour ago, dragonflies said:

Today was meh at best, too much ASHLEY ASHLEY ASHLEY 

 

The Ashley obsession needs to stop, it's hurting the show iMO

I do agree. I feel like this is the one aspect of the show MVJ had 100% gotten wrong and I'm not confident it'll be fixed. She's made it clear she loves Jen Jacob and the character but she's not doing her any favors. This is one thing that she must fix before the year is out.

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Oh and please disbar Naomi! She was breaking attorney/client confidentiality today with Bill. Vernon specifically paid her so she would be his lawyer in order to bind her to keeping her mouth shut by law. This is the second person she's had this conversation about without Vernon's knowledge

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3 hours ago, Vanguardian53 said:

But isn't Andre wishy-washy too? He does things to Dani with his tongue and he still wants to kiss Ashley too? Which, by the way, ahem, if Ashley only knew where his mouth has been.

I dont think he is. He's keeping his options open bc he's dealing with 2 people that dont want to make a commitment. If at any point in the last few months had Dani wanted to lock things down and be with him, he'd have been all in with her. Up until now he's been committed to her without them officially being anything and he grew frustrated so he's doing what he should be doing and thats dating. He hasnt done anything wrong here and has been as open and honest as he needs to be

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1 hour ago, dragonflies said:

Today was meh at best, too much ASHLEY ASHLEY ASHLEY 

 

The Ashley obsession needs to stop, it's hurting the show iMO

The way the show rotates stories from the front burner to the back burner, I predict Ashley will probably be put back in the backburner in the next few weeks.

To me, both Ashley and Dani are hurting the show.

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I repeat that I feel that Ashley is being pushed because the network wants to adequately fill the quota for White characters getting screen time and have a White character that is supposed to be perfect. You have two very nice White male characters in Smitty and Derek, but the other White female character is a tramp involved with a criminal so CBS definitely wants some balance on that front in the form of Ashley.

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I am sure a white heroine is partially a network thing, but I doubt the network denoted that she be so unbelievably boring.

Dani has her lovers and haters, but that's largely by design. She drives engagement and is very watchable to me, even when they sometimes have her circle the same tired behaviors. Karla is eating this role IMO, there's no comparison with her vs. JJ.

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Andre is wasting his time with Ashley.

At the end though, Derek was all up in Andre's face. Something might go down tomorrow.

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A side note: The switch-up that made Vanessa go full Guza Crime Moll happened so fast onscreen but I swear Lauren Bugliogi has killed it. I think she's even elevated Jon Lindstrom, who at times seems uncomfortable with this kind of role in his older age, but who has real chemistry with LB and can still give good glowering and some menace (depending on the day and material).

Joey will not last forever but they need to move Vanessa into a more central role on the show fast. It frankly makes me wish they'd stayed with the original Vanessa/Dani friendship in the very first episodes, but I'm also among the few on here who is also fine with Cady's kooky BFF/talk-to role. OTOH, maybe Vanessa's friendship with saintly Nicole is what will keep her humanized.

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I know they've barely interacted, but back during Hayley's wedding wasn't it established Caroline was one of her only friends?  Why today does she act shocked that she might want to help plan a party with her?

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38 minutes ago, Vee said:

It frankly makes me wish they'd stayed with the original Vanessa/Dani friendship in the very first episodes, but I'm also among the few on here who is also fine with Cady's kooky BFF/talk-to role. OTOH, maybe Vanessa's friendship with saintly Nicole is what will keep her humanized.

100% to all of this lol

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39 minutes ago, Vee said:

 I'm also among the few on here who is also fine with Cady's kooky BFF/talk-to role. OTOH, maybe Vanessa's friendship with saintly Nicole is what will keep her humanized.

I think Cady is doing a good job. Love seeing her. 

I do agree Nicole is there to keep Vanessa grounded, sort of. 

Not to bloat the cast, but I would like to see Vanessa interact with her children. 

 

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