2 hours ago, EdibleFlowers said:

With baby Eve turning out to be alive, you just know Sabrina and Victor’s dead baby is going to show up one day. 

Don't give Josh Griffith ideas :shudder

@DramatistDreamer I appreciated your thoughts and post on Friday’s episode as I agree with them.

Actually I enjoyed both Thursday/Friday episodes of the show this past week, I think having JW back in full force as corporate Jill definitely helped, but even the nostalgia of things like Christine/Danny/Phyllis/Michael was actually welcomed even if Phyllis totally  pointless, isolated, irrelevant these days. 
 

So not looking forward to anymore Newman drama at the moment personally I have found that story a total fail. Like a coma inducing replay of Sarah Smythe and Daisy all over again. 

11 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

@DramatistDreamer I appreciated your thoughts and post on Friday’s episode as I agree with them.

Actually I enjoyed both Thursday/Friday episodes of the show this past week, I think having JW back in full force as corporate Jill definitely helped, but even the nostalgia of things like Christine/Danny/Phyllis/Michael was actually welcomed even if Phyllis totally  pointless, isolated, irrelevant these days. 
 

So not looking forward to anymore Newman drama at the moment personally I have found that story a total fail. Like a coma inducing replay of Sarah Smythe and Daisy all over again. 

The Newmans are over-written for as characters. I am not referencing the quality, just the quantity. 
If they were going to go through all this trouble to bring a deceased daughter from a prominent family back to the canvas, I would have wanted her to be Colleen Carlton—at least Colleen has multiple connections to various other characters and would have provided much needed story for Traci Abbott. If written properly (and everyone has heard my ideas over the years), it would make a great umbrella story that would provide story for most of the characters on the canvas.

As it stands now, this Eve story has pretty much siloed the Newman family with no perceived connection to any other characters on the canvas, beside maybe Michael.

3 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

If they were going to go through all this trouble to bring a deceased daughter from a prominent family back to the canvas, I would have wanted her to be Colleen Carlton—at least Colleen has multiple connections to various other characters and would have provided much needed story for Traci Abbott. If written properly (and everyone has heard my ideas over the years), it would make a great umbrella story that would provide story for most of the characters on the canvas.

agree 100%

I just read the Eve Howard story. Helps a lot. 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/3144711669180711/posts/3630130713972135

On 12/9/2023 at 8:07 PM, DramatistDreamer said:

In terms of Cast and her expressive face, I was definitely referencing her time when she was a series regular with actual story, not so much these days. It’s nice to see her interact with LLB but I don’t have much to go on with her and Floyd. Perhaps there is hope for their onscreen chemistry in the future, but it would entail more screen time for both.

What sealed it for me was when Nina visited Chance in the hospital when he was shot.

When she bent over to kiss him, she couldn't even bring herself to put her lips on his forehead. She got close, but no cigar. I'm sorry, no mother acts that way. It was just poor acting.

Random thoughts:

I think Michael screwed up twice today, saying Jordan's name when he meant Claire, or mixed up the two names. It was odd.

Nikki chugging straight out of that vodka bottle was just too much.

I cannot believe we got that SAME dialogue between Adam and Sally that has been happening since they broke up, for almost two years now. Good grief, I am so sick of them.

16 hours ago, Beachstorm said:

I cannot believe we got that SAME dialogue between Adam and Sally that has been happening since they broke up, for almost two years now. Good grief, I am so sick of them.

I've thought for a long time now that Adam as a character is played out and needs a rest.

7 minutes ago, 1974mdp said:

I've thought for a long time now that Adam as a character is played out and needs a rest.

Josh Griffith won't ever let that happen; his immediate hard on for Adam Newman has been apparent in each of his regimes.

Now I know Nate and Devon are showing some deference to Jill due to her seniority, but allowing Jill to demean their elderly great-aunt in front of them? With no comment or pushback? Yeah, no. Whether Mamie was right or wrong. One thing the show has gotten right (or true to character, more accurately) is the condescending way Jill speaks to Mamie.

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2 hours ago, Faulkner said:

Now I know Nate and Devon are showing some deference to Jill due to her seniority, but allowing Jill to demean their elderly great-aunt in front of them? With no comment or pushback? Yeah, no. Whether Mamie was right or wrong. One thing the show has gotten right (or true to character, more accurately) is the condescending way Jill speaks to Mamie.

The last times that I have watched scenes between Mamie, Devon and Lily, especially, I don’t see one hint of familial feelings toward Mamie. I have even heard each address her by her first name only and not by her honorific. Dru would have never allow this, Victoria Rowell would have slipped in a correction.

wrong thread

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On 12/7/2023 at 4:08 PM, Paul Raven said:

As Tonya won't return, should Y&R cast a new 50 something actress to come on for a few days to play Olivia? With Mamie back it would be the right time, and her presence would help with Nate's characterization.

Olivia was always a pretty serious character, dedicated to medicine and I could see Nate under pressure to be a doctor. They could explore that and have Olivia realize that unintentionally she had put expectations on her son.

 

Why won’t Tonya return? What’s the story there?

I’m currently watching for Nina, Cricket, Danny, Heather, and Chance. I’ve never liked the Abbotts or Newmans beyond Traci and Nikki.

47 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

The last times that I have watched scenes between Mamie, Devon and Lily, especially, I don’t see one hint of familial feelings toward Mamie. I have even heard each address her by her first name only and not by her honorific. Dru would have never allow this, Victoria Rowell would have slipped in a correction.

It’s very, very noticeable indeed. Dru (or Neil or Olivia or Malcolm) never would’ve raised children who’d let their aunt be disrespected, even with the knowledge Mamie can hold her own with Jill. They’d have at least said, “She’s family and we won’t allow her to be spoken to in that way. Now let’s move on…” But all Nate and Devon did was squirm like “cowards” (as Jill called them). Hell, Jack or Ashley would have piped up more in Mamie’s defense.

Mamie’s return has been a gigantic fail IMO largely due to that lack of familial connection, which is *somewhat* understandable due to her absence in Devon/Lily/Nate’s lives (due to writer neglect, of course—Y&R isn’t even really exploring Mamie’s role in the family right now—she’s completely underwritten). But still—Black families are very protective of their elders in general, regardless, especially with outsiders.

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1 hour ago, Faulkner said:

It’s very, very noticeable indeed. Dru (or Neil or Olivia or Malcolm) never would’ve raised children who’d let their aunt be disrespected, even with the knowledge Mamie can hold her own with Jill. They’d have at least said, “She’s family and we won’t allow her to be spoken to in that way. Now let’s move on…” But all Nate and Devon did was squirm like “cowards” (as Jill called them). Hell, Jack or Ashley would have piped up more in Mamie’s defense.

Mamie’s return has been a gigantic fail IMO largely due to that lack of familial connection, which is *somewhat* understandable due to her absence in Devon/Lily/Nate’s lives (due to writer neglect, of course—Y&R isn’t even really exploring Mamie’s role in the family right now—she’s completely underwritten). But still—Black families are very protective of their elders in general, regardless, especially with outsiders.

Josh Griffith has no sensibility of these types of nuances, which is why I am fine with not having Olivia back on the canvas, he’s only foul things up further. It’s nice to see Veronica Redd again but the show has done zilch with her/Mamie except have her roam around talking about uniting the family with little to no detail about her life in between visits. Were told she has made shrewd investments and that’s it.