1 hour ago, Vee said:

I don't see a reason to keep Heinle onscreen. Like Ordway, the show and network have tried everything to make her work and justify their endless investment in the actor, and it doesn't work. It will never work. And the brief time when it did work for a certain segment of their audience, with Billy Miller, is long gone. Just write Victoria out for however many years as it takes to find someone else or somehow lure Heather Tom back with cheese like a mouse or something.

I agree that they overuse Heinle. But I actually don't feel like they've tried everything to make her work. In fact, I think the show rarely writes to her strengths as an actress, which in my opinion are significant. In her best scenes, like the ones in her Emmy reels, I find her to be one of the most compelling actors on Y&R because she's able to convey a profound sense of sadness, of a woman who feels exhausted by all the pressures in her life.

I know that's totally different than the way Heather Tom played the role, but it still makes perfect sense to me that a woman who's had to deal with Victor Newman her whole life would feel this way; I can barely stand to be around him for the 36 minutes it takes to watch an episode. You could get great drama out of a melancholy "poor rich girl" character like that; in fact, in the early days, Y&R did get great drama out of Kay Chancellor's similar state of existential malaise. But for whatever reason, the show rarely acknowledges this aspect of Victoria's character; it's all in Heinle's performance and rarely in the actual script, which often places her in a "girlboss" role more suited to Heather Tom or writes generic romance stories for her. 

The only Victoria that works (for me) is Ruthless!Victoria.  Amelia can play that, and she does well when they write the character that way.  Unfortunately (as others have posted above) the show refuses to commit to that.

The character Victoria should never be a written as romantic heroine or as a submissive waif.   The character fails when the show tries to do that, and that's not something Amelia is good at.

I have a question about Robert Newman. How is he at playing ruthless? From what I've heard about Josh Lewis he was a nice guy for the most part. And their finally starting to show Ashland being shady so I was just wondering how he is.

Josh was not always some prince, lol. Robert Newman will do fine. It's the show that sucks.

I can't tell with Newman because I feel like the last 5 years of GL he just looked bored out of his goddamn mind. We're doing this Reva sh!t again?

52 minutes ago, Darn said:

I can't tell with Newman because I feel like the last 5 years of GL he just looked bored out of his goddamn mind. We're doing this Reva sh!t again?

I remember on his SOD Podcast interview he said wasn't feeling Peapack 🤣 but then again, they didn't give him much to do notably. 

2 hours ago, Darn said:

Khan I love you but we are not having Nikki fcking her dead daughter's husband in the hospital chapel! Especially since them having sex is what caused her to die! I don't mind the idea just not with these characters.

Did I say I would have them [!@#$%^&*] in the hospital chapel, lol?  Maybe "clinch" was the wrong word but [!@#$%^&*] was not what I meant.

Please, I'm not JER.  Of course, if JER were writing it, he'd have Ashland and Nikki literally screwing on top of Victoria's corpse.  But that's neither here nor there.

2 hours ago, Vee said:

They tried that already! Here we are!

Thank you!

1 hour ago, Forever8 said:

I remember on his SOD Podcast interview he said wasn't feeling Peapack 🤣 but then again, they didn't give him much to do notably. 

I wonder what it's like for him to be on sets again. Granted they are small and not many but still

9 minutes ago, Khan said:

Did I say I would have them [!@#$%^&*] in the hospital chapel, lol?  Maybe "clinch" was the wrong word but [!@#$%^&*] was not what I meant.

I think I decided that you were trying to bypass the filter lol

5 minutes ago, Dylan said:

I wonder what it's like for him to be on sets again. Granted they are small and not many but still

Even present day garbage Y&R looks better than GL in its final days.

 

 

Daaaaaaayuuuuummmmmm!  Y'all didn't say he looks like that!  

2 hours ago, Dylan said:

I have a question about Robert Newman. How is he at playing ruthless? From what I've heard about Josh Lewis he was a nice guy for the most part.

Well, he didn't start out that way.  As a matter of fact, Josh was introduced (by then-HW Douglas Marland) as a spoiler for Kelly and Morgan, who were GL's big supercouple. 

IIRC, Morgan was pursuing a modeling career.  Kelly, being a young resident at Cedars Hospital, preferred his new wife to stay home and start a family.  Josh, operating under the pretense of helping Morgan launch her career, exploited the conflicts between the newlyweds in order to get Morgan in the sack.  (Which he did.  Again, IIRC.)

It's only when Pam Long came aboard and fleshed out both Josh's backstory and the Lewis clan -- keeping on Josh and his sister, Trish, while adding on Billy, Mindy, patriarch H.B., and eventually Reva -- that Josh evolved into pretty much what he was for the rest of his time on the show.

2 hours ago, Vee said:

Robert Newman will do fine. It's the show that sucks.

Yup.

2 hours ago, Darn said:

I can't tell with Newman because I feel like the last 5 years of GL he just looked bored out of his goddamn mind. We're doing this Reva sh!t again?

I knew when they tried "Reverend Josh" that the show had hit a brick wall with the guy.

Even before then, though, I actually felt the time had come to kill off Josh.  We knew how Josh would respond to losing Reva to death, because we saw him do it multiple times.  But how would Reva cope with losing "Bud"?

1 hour ago, Forever8 said:

I remember on his SOD Podcast interview he said wasn't feeling Peapack 

Nobody was feeling Peapack.  Especially the audience.

3 hours ago, prefab1 said:

I agree that they overuse Heinle. But I actually don't feel like they've tried everything to make her work. In fact, I think the show rarely writes to her strengths as an actress, which in my opinion are significant. In her best scenes, like the ones in her Emmy reels, I find her to be one of the most compelling actors on Y&R because she's able to convey a profound sense of sadness, of a woman who feels exhausted by all the pressures in her life.

I know that's totally different than the way Heather Tom played the role, but it still makes perfect sense to me that a woman who's had to deal with Victor Newman her whole life would feel this way; I can barely stand to be around him for the 36 minutes it takes to watch an episode. You could get great drama out of a melancholy "poor rich girl" character like that; in fact, in the early days, Y&R did get great drama out of Kay Chancellor's similar state of existential malaise. But for whatever reason, the show rarely acknowledges this aspect of Victoria's character; it's all in Heinle's performance and rarely in the actual script, which often places her in a "girlboss" role more suited to Heather Tom or writes generic romance stories for her. 

I always thought that they should do an eating disorder storywith her. Not as a comment on her body type, but it would be interesting to see a storyline play out with an adult instead of a teenager, and to focus on the inherent control issues of the disorder. She would rock that.

 

15 minutes ago, Darn said:

 

Even present day garbage Y&R looks better than GL in its final days.

See, I watch those Peapack clips and I think at least they went outside once in a while and the "sets" were nice and big (since they were actual places).

 

12 minutes ago, ChitHappens said:

 

 

Daaaaaaayuuuuummmmmm!  Y'all didn't say he looks like that!  

I'm feeling him with Jill, Lauren, or, believe it or not, Nina. I don't see Nina with the character Ashland but I could see Tricia Cast and Robert Newman working well together.

20 minutes ago, Darn said:

I think I decided that you were trying to bypass the filter lol

Okay, but...you must really hate me if you think I would have two grown folks actually [!@#$%^&*] in a hospital chapel while HIS wife and HER daughter lay stone cold dead in the hospital morgue.  I can push the old envelope, but come on, lol!

I mean, what am I?  Dena Higley or something?

4 minutes ago, BoldRestless said:

I'm feeling him with Jill, Lauren, or, believe it or not, Nina.

I'd love to put him in a triangle with Ashley and Traci.

Edited February 2, 20223 yr by Khan

And all this talk of Victoria and the problems with that character leads me to thinking about her brother. But let's not go there...at least not on this thread.

5 minutes ago, BoldRestless said:

I always thought that they should do an eating disorder storywith her. Not as a comment on her body type, but it would be interesting to see a storyline play out with an adult instead of a teenager, and to focus on the inherent control issues of the disorder. She would rock that.

Wait, didn't they have AH's character on LOVING go through the same issue?