1 minute ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

That's not completely true. Ed Hall and Carla Gray had a lovely on-screen wedding back in 1972 on OLTL and the show coughed up money for a fairly large wedding party and special guests.

Yet not one close-up of poor Ellen Holly!

13 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

I'm Trish on the podcast. 

 

You're great! You're all great! I really enjoyed that entire podcast. I've wanted to do a soap podcast but my one friend who watches soaps won't do it with me (he knows who he is). I hope y'all make more episodes. Try to recruit some daytime actors/crew willing to speak on their experiences.

 

8 minutes ago, All My Shadows said:

SourceRyan was here for years as "Ryan Chandler." Just typing that out brings back some good ol' SON memories.

 

Thanks.

Edited June 15, 20205 yr by Darn

Just now, BetterForgotten said:

Yet not one close-up of poor Ellen Holly!

 

That was in another ceremony many years later, when Carla married Jack Scott. In her first wedding to Ed Hall, Ellen Holly was featured heavily in close-ups.

4 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

That was in another ceremony many years later, when Carla married Jack Scott. In her first wedding to Ed Hall, Ellen Holly was featured heavily in close-ups.

It makes you wonder if they were trying to 'punish' her by the time of that second wedding. 

6 minutes ago, Darn said:

 

You're great! You're all great! I really enjoyed that entire podcast. I've wanted to do a soap podcast but my one friend who watches soaps won't do it with me (he knows who he is). I hope y'all make more episodes. Try to recruit some daytime actors/crew willing to speak on their experiences.

 

 

Thanks.

 

Thanks for the feedback. I will pass that on to coryon. 

1 minute ago, BetterForgotten said:

It makes you wonder if they were trying to 'punish' her by the time of that second wedding. 

 

Two producers in a row took a dislike to her, it seems.

Heyyyy @ajsp35801 Long time no posts!  It's good to see you posting again. I look forward to listening to this podcast when I get more time.

I found pics of Carla's wedding to Ed.

Edited June 15, 20205 yr by victoria foxton

1 hour ago, rlj said:

Yeah, not a fan of Coryon from TVSource, Ill wait till others speak 😐

I don't care for coryon either.

The comment about these black characters not being in touch with anything “culturally black” - oof, I’ve had many arguments about that on this board.
 

Re: them not knowing how to light black actors on these shows like Loren Lott: “Black people weren’t invented 10 years ago.”

 

I love this podcast. 

4 minutes ago, victoria foxton said:

I found a pic of Carla's wedding to Ed.

 

And you'll notice that Carla had black people in her wedding party. When I was watching the character's wedding to Jack Scott, I was baffled by the show's choice to have Viki Riley as her matron of honor. The two of them had barely interacted for years. It would have made more sense for Sadie to have stood up for her daughter. 

'Third Vicki' felt so damn forced into that wedding to Jack Scott. 

Who is Carla’s maid of honor BTW ?

It's interesting to me how much different soaps incorporated black characters throughout the 70s and then left them behind as the decade turned to the 80s. AMC seems to be the only one to make an effort at expanding the role of the black characters it already had by introducing Jesse as Frank and Nancy Grant's nephew. Comparing that photo from Ed and Carla's wedding to what passed as wedding for Carla less than a decade later is crazy.

We know that by 1980-1981, daytime was chasing a younger audience and for the most part no longer cared about social relevance or realism, but damn...did that also have to mean "We don't have to worry about including major black characters anymore."

I guess it's all systematic. None of these shows were created with black or minority characters in mind (except maybe OLTL) - their innate purpose was to market household products to middle-class white women. That thinking still permeates this medium to its detriment. 

 

Whatever representation there was for black characters has always been under the guide of white writer, whether that be Agnes Nixon or Bill Bell. Black creatives have never been in a position in daytime soaps to create characters that reflect their own diverse backgrounds. Production studios and advertisers don't place the same value on the Black dollar as they do on the White dollar and that doesn't seem to be changing.