39 minutes ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Heyyyy @ajsp35801 Long time no posts!  It's good to see you posting again. I look forward to listening to this podcast when I get more time.

 

Awe....thanks. I haven't been paying soaps much attention since the quarantine other than what I've seen come across my timeline Twitter. I'm just so tired of fighting them for the smallest presence for Black characters. I have let soaps go. 

 

I would like to think that daytime would see this change happening in the world and decide it's time to move forward. But I don't have any hope that it happen. 

15 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

I guess it's all systematic. None of these shows were created with black or minority characters in mind (except maybe OLTL) - their innate purpose was to market household products to middle-class white women. That thinking still permeates this medium to its detriment. 

 

Whatever representation there was for black characters has always been under the guide of white writer, whether that be Agnes Nixon or Bill Bell. Black creatives have never been in a position in daytime soaps to create characters that reflect their own diverse backgrounds. Production studios and advertisers don't place the same value on the Black dollar as they do on the White dollar and that doesn't seem to be changing. 

 

I agree with everything except Black Dollars. Companies are more in tuned with the Black people and how that can effect the bottom line more than ever. Otherwise, we would see companies attempting to speak to "Black Lives Matters." Don't get me wrong, it helps that the cause is more mainstream and amplified by white voices too. 

 

Everyone knows that Black women are trendsetters and at the forefront of popular culture. Daytime just refuses to budge. It's also why the soaps continue to die. Where is the 18-49 demo? I'll answer. Watching shows more diverse than these. 

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2 hours ago, BetterForgotten said:

Someone once mentioned that the first time a black couple was given a wedding with a budget that was comparable to white couples was Hamp and Gilly's 1992 wedding on GL.

 

Can anyone verify that? 

Maybe it was because they had Robert Flack? I know AW had a couple weddings of interest for their AA characters in the mid-80’s. Nathan & Olivia had a lovely lush wedding the year before on Y&R but it was mainly family & close friends(although didn’t Scott & Sheila attend LOL?) where as Hamp & Gilly had all of Springfield and Roberta Flack show up to celebrate at Towers. 

29 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

I would like to think that daytime would see this change happening in the world and decide it's time to move forward. But I don't have any hope that it happen.

At this point, I think these soaps would be surprised that people care that much. That’s just how half-heartedly I think they regard these shows. (I watched a bit of Y&R pre-COVID, and it’s like one giant shrug emoji, with the exception of a handful of committed actors.) They’re placeholders that do generate some income. Most people under 50 are surprised they still exist. 
 

Edit: this podcast makes me sad, especially the comments about what the panel would have done if they had to do it all over again, because of the missed opportunities. Soaps are dead, and the few voices who were screaming about things when it mattered weren’t listened to. It *is* too late.
 

I appreciate the love for Hollyoaks’ diversity, but man, that show is a ROUGH watch.

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3 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

At this point, I think these soaps would be surprised that people care that much. That’s just how half-heartedly I think they regard these shows. (I watched a bit of Y&R pre-COVID, and it’s like one giant shrug emoji, with the exception of a handful of committed actors.) They’re placeholders that do generate some income. Most people under 50 are surprised they still exist. 
 

I appreciate the love for Hollyoaks’ diversity, but man, that show is a ROUGH watch.

I can't get into the UK soaps either. They are great at social issues and diversity but its hard lol

 

  

17 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

At this point, I think these soaps would be surprised that people care that much. That’s just how half-heartedly I think they regard these shows. (I watched a bit of Y&R pre-COVID, and it’s like one giant shrug emoji, with the exception of a handful of committed actors.) They’re placeholders that do generate some income. Most people under 50 are surprised they still exist. 
 

I appreciate the love for Hollyoaks’ diversity, but man, that show is a ROUGH watch.

 

😂 I promised I'd watch Hollyoaks. I'll reserve judgement until then. 

14 minutes ago, victoria foxton said:

 

  

 

You'll have to listen to understand the context. 

1 minute ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

😂 I promised I'd watch Hollyoaks. I'll reserve judgement until then. 

One of the panelists’ comments about “death by wood chipper” sums that show up, and that’s all I’ll say lol.

3 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

😂 I promised I'd watch Hollyoaks. I'll reserve judgement until then. 

 

You'll have to listen to understand the context. 

Trish, do you guys plan to do more of these 😊

6 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

😂 I promised I'd watch Hollyoaks. I'll reserve judgement until then. 

 

You'll have to listen to understand the context. 

That's a nasty racist comment Steve Burton made. On his podcast with the Shaggy from Scooby Doo look alike.

Edited June 15, 20205 yr by victoria foxton

1 hour ago, Darn said:

You're great! You're all great! I really enjoyed that entire podcast. I've wanted to do a soap podcast but my one friend who watches soaps won't do it with me (he knows who he is).

 

You're goddamn right I won't. These people have long memories!

Just finished. Wonderful discussion, @ajsp35801. My question: will this podcast just be about soaps in 2020? 

1 hour ago, Dylan said:

Trish, do you guys plan to do more of these 😊

 

I'm sure that more are planned but none of it has been discussed with me.

 

I was only invited because everyone else on the short list were otherwise engaged. 

 

I'll let you guys know of I hear something. 

49 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

Just finished. Wonderful discussion, @ajsp35801. My question: will this podcast just be about soaps in 2020? 

 

I am not sure so don't quote me but I think so. The title is Soap Boxing so it's gotta be about soaps, right? 

14 minutes ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

I am not sure so don't quote me but I think so. The title is Soap Boxing so it's gotta be about soaps, right? 

I figured soaps, but wondered if you’d delve into history at all. Or maybe include interviews, like with Susan Dansby, MVJ, or Michelle Patrick. Guess I’ll have to stay tuned.

I just can't believe not even one channel is willing to take a chance, to be different. To have a multi-cultural canvas. GH is set in a hospital. B&B in the fashion industry. It just makes no sense. They were right about the soaps recycling the same people.

 

Why can't they use interns of all different backgrounds to broaden the canvas? 

 

I'm not saying its easy to modernize the show's but it damn sure ain't that hard. 

3 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

I figured soaps, but wondered if you’d delve into history at all. Or maybe include interviews, like with Susan Dansby, MVJ, or Michelle Patrick. Guess I’ll have to stay tuned.

 

Do you think any of those folks would be willing to speak out? MVJ seems like she would just from her Twitter.