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On 11/23/2018 at 2:01 AM, alexisfan07 said:

It's on ABC.com

 

https://abc.go.com/shows/general-hospital/episode-guide/2000-11/27-thursday-november-27-2000

 

 

It made me really sad to see Bobbie as the host of Thanksgiving, in the center with characters surrounding her the way it should be, but now Sonny and Carly are at the center and Bobbie's been reduced to their side prop. 

 

I'm so late replying but been so busy and not watching as much but yes, I hate it too. Bobbie/Jackie's always been a favorite of mine. I'm glad she at least appears now fairly regularly but there's just no life anymore. Sonny and Carly at the center bugs me so much.

On 11/23/2018 at 2:20 AM, BetterForgotten said:

I just remember how much I thought the show sucked at this time, and how dire most of the material was. I didn't know how much worse it would get years later...

 

On 11/23/2018 at 9:41 AM, EricMontreal22 said:

Yeah I was gonna say I was never a huge GH fan but I remember the final years of Riche's era not being very good...  And yet watching this now in a modern context it really does seem like A+ material.

 

Very late replying, but yes, I wasn't a fan of this time either but looking back 18 years, it looks Emmy-winning in comparison and so many good things were still around but it wasn't a good time. But it still resembled GH.

On 11/23/2018 at 9:44 AM, Vee said:

"Bad" Guza/Riche, warts and all, was still better than a lot of the other shows at the time and certainly all of them now.

 

The fact that GH was basically primetime caliber from '93 to '00 in terms of dialogue and character (with a few low periods - Culliton, etc.) when I was a kid both made me happy and galled me as OLTL sank into the abyss from '98 on. I loved both but wanted the same for my favorite show.

 

So much this ...

On 11/23/2018 at 12:14 PM, DRW50 said:

Maybe I'm being contrarian but I still can't praise most of what we got from 1998-2000. 1998 had some good moments but even that was overshadowed by the worst (like the Jason worship and the sick rape revisitation story that asked viewers to blame a rape victim for her rapist feeling guilty, and as the cherry on top, had her son verbally abuse her for months because she had been raped).

 

No one's really praising it as great material ;) 

 

But there's far more things about it that are appealing than in this day and age. Sad to say, I know, but it's true.

On 11/23/2018 at 3:33 PM, dragonflies said:

To think this is what we consider good now, and a few years after this episode the show literally went to HELL

 

I don't consider it "good". I just enjoyed seeing a lot of actors and characters long gone and the show had actual sets and production values. But when you see how far the show falls ... it's hard not to appreciate this episode for a few reasons. "Good" time period for the show? No. But compared to the future? LOL ... 

On 11/23/2018 at 2:23 PM, titan1978 said:

I hear those complaints.  I think when Guza arrived, the stories for Luke and Laura had her a vital part of them.  The Damian murder and the return of the Cassadines.  Luke had a point of view and was important to the story, but they were stories that hinged on Laura.

 

When she finally came back from maternity leave, it seemed like Luke was the center of stories that included Laura, but her point of view was not as present or as vital as he had been in the earlier stories.  Her own stories were basically her between Luke and Stefan, and she seemed lost in both.  Add in the Lucky death, and while I think she acted that period of time beautifully, she was miserable and isolated as a character.

 

I also had problems as a viewer during 98-2000 of Riche/Guza.  In hindsight it is superior to what came after, although I do think Guza/Phelps had some periods of greatness.  Light years above today.

 

Guza and his team, even if I hated the characters featured and their stories always had good dialogue that was about character and had depth.  It wasn’t just traded barbs and plot movement.  I miss that.  I think the current HW team would be greatly aided by stronger breakdowns and scripts.  The stories aren’t top notch, but great scripting kept Days from being a total chore.  The Cullitons gave that show a lot.

 

Agreed 1000% with this

 

The show at the time, no, this period wasn't very interesting or good, I see it as the "beginning of the end" and it was nice to see SJB as Carly, Mo as dead eyes was setting in, Bobbie and Monica before the years of plastic surgery and being told they're too old to lead, Alan's alive, Amber Tamblyn was still Emily ... AJ was alive ... lots of things about it just made me nostalgic and it was nice to be reminded of a show that wasn't gutted. It wasn't a good time at all, really, but when you look back and compare it to now? LOL ... 

19 hours ago, Costello said:

In spite of Maura’s extravagant anguish, this show is....ugh. Not good.

 

It hasn't been good in a long long time :/

 

But YAY, KIKI IS GONE!

 

Roger Howarth was [!@#$%^&*] awful. Why is he allowed to continue getting a paycheck? Why are there even fans of Franco and Liz together? It irks me each and every time I see them on-screen together. So many other GH men could be on the canvas but we're stuck with Howarth sleepwalking through his contract. Not to mention Finola Hughes looking beyond tired and being wasted on Michael Easton, another waste of a contract. Same for Michelle Stafford and her dead eyes daughter.

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What’s very weird is that there are *so* many little stories happening all over the show, but it’s all written so poorly and shallowly and with characters no one gives a sh!t about. (This is the 2018 version of an overstuffed Marland soap, written by people without a tenth of his talent, backed by a network and production who are like “whatevs,” and it sucks.) The day-to-day scripts make Mal’s dreadful Y&R feel like Claire Labine. It’s really that bad. Maura managed to partially rescue some very weak writing.

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1 minute ago, Costello said:

What’s very weird is that there are *so* many little stories happening all over the show, but it’s all written so poorly and shallowly and with characters no one gives a sh!t about. (This is the 2018 version of an overstuffed Marland soap, written by people without a tenth of his talent, and it sucks.) The day-to-day scripts make Mal’s dreadful Y&R feel like Claire Labine. It’s really that bad. Maura managed to partially rescue some very weak writing.

 

Pretty much says it all. Maura's great but the show has such low energy. DAYS suffers from the low energy too. The script-writers usually save DAYS for me on a daily basis but even that's been a struggle. GH is too bloated and all over the place.

On 11/26/2018 at 3:27 PM, slick jones said:
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I'M SO EXCITED!!!! AND I JUST CAN'T HIDE IT!!! I'm soooo happy.

On 11/27/2018 at 9:48 AM, ChitHappens said:

 

So many more should go long before Kiki!

 

There's a long list ... but I have no order preference ... 

On 11/27/2018 at 10:13 AM, slick jones said:

She's a good start, Ninny should be next, she just threatened Ava. Same with fake daughter. But they have to keep Big Red to reunite with Willow, her obvious real daughter they are forcing on us. Whoever at ABC thinks that Nina is a viable character obviously doesn't actually watch the show.

 

That Willow actress is another terrible dead eyes addition. It was so painful watching the scenes between her and Chase where he was trying to flirt with her (sorry but he should have been gay and mixing it up with Lucas and Brad but heaven forbid they get airtime in their own storyline - though it's sadly gone up, which isn't saying very much)

 

Why are they casting actresses that all look alike and have brunette hair? Lawd. And to top it off they bring Britt back who's nearly identical to the actress playing Sasha (which of course makes sense and is good casting, I guess, but still ...)

On 11/29/2018 at 11:07 PM, alexisfan07 said:

I've known this all along since Griffin debuted but today and yesterday's episodes are a painful confirmation of how limited Matt Cohen's acting skills are. He was terrible! Fake crying with no tears and the obnoxious confused face he always makes. 

 

Maura West, on the other hand, continues to prove there's nothing she can't do. She is always dangerously close to being over the top, and yet, makes every breath and word she utters feel realistic. I couldn't take my eyes off of her. Her scene today over Kiki's body bag was absolutely gut-wrenching and awfully painful to watch. 

 

Cohen was pretty painful, but to be fair to him, how could he be invested when all Kiki and Griffin did was [!@#$%^&*] endlessly? I'm not saying he's great but it's not like they really invest in his character. 

 

Maura was great. I just love her and I'm glad they keep giving her great things to do. It's all Emmy bait but I don't care.

19 hours ago, ChitHappens said:

 

+1

 

It's not but no one is saying it is ... well, most of us aren't. We just "take what we can get" at this point and I'm thrilled Kiki is finally dead. I've hated the idea of her since Kristen Alderson's obnoxious version. I know you didn't hate her as much as the others but Erin was awful and Kiki was dead weight.

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1 hour ago, KMan101 said:

Cohen was pretty painful, but to be fair to him, how could he be invested when all Kiki and Griffin did was [!@#$%^&*] endlessly? I'm not saying he's great but it's not like they really invest in his character.

 

For real. Like spare me Griffin's heartbreak over this girl who was barely more than his f-ck buddy for 5 minutes. He was banging her mom a few months ago. The Griffin/Kiki pairing was a joke.

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This might be Ryan’s most diabolical and evil story ever.  The angle of killing Kiki and seducing Ava at the same time is depraved.  Even if Kiki was a terrible character from the beginning with two completely different actresses it’s still awful.

 

I hope the show goes all the way with that once Ava learns the truth.

 

Maura is really selling terrible writing.

 

I can’t help but think if this show had the Cullitons writing the scripts through thin material, as DAYS did, would the scenes make the stories better?  I think the answer is yes.

 

While the production values are not what they were, I have to say that I think the show looks better than it did the last time I watched this much.  The blue thing has calmed down, people have different looking homes.  In one week I saw the hospital sets (rooms, offices, main floor), the Haunted Star, a church, a classroom, Kelly’s, homes for Liz, Carly, Ava, Maxie, Kiki, Valentine, Anna (well a bedroom), Sam, and the Quartemaines, the Metro Court bar, Julian’s bar etc.  That is almost classic soap level in the diversity of locations.

 

This show being described as Marland level of characters and stories going on but without the heart and talent and soul  is so right on it’s almost scary.

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2 hours ago, KMan101 said:

 

Pretty much says it all. Maura's great but the show has such low energy. DAYS suffers from the low energy too. The script-writers usually save DAYS for me on a daily basis but even that's been a struggle. GH is too bloated and all over the place.

 

I'M SO EXCITED!!!! AND I JUST CAN'T HIDE IT!!! I'm soooo happy.

 

There's a long list ... but I have no order preference ... 

 

That Willow actress is another terrible dead eyes addition. It was so painful watching the scenes between her and Chase where he was trying to flirt with her (sorry but he should have been gay and mixing it up with Lucas and Brad but heaven forbid they get airtime in their own storyline - though it's sadly gone up, which isn't saying very much)

 

Why are they casting actresses that all look alike and have brunette hair? Lawd. And to top it off they bring Britt back who's nearly identical to the actress playing Sasha (which of course makes sense and is good casting, I guess, but still ...)

 

Cohen was pretty painful, but to be fair to him, how could he be invested when all Kiki and Griffin did was [!@#$%^&*] endlessly? I'm not saying he's great but it's not like they really invest in his character. 

 

Maura was great. I just love her and I'm glad they keep giving her great things to do. It's all Emmy bait but I don't care.

 

It's not but no one is saying it is ... well, most of us aren't. We just "take what we can get" at this point and I'm thrilled Kiki is finally dead. I've hated the idea of her since Kristen Alderson's obnoxious version. I know you didn't hate her as much as the others but Erin was awful and Kiki was dead weight.

 

 

 

Imagine the fun we could have had if Alderson were playing her. 

 

"Kiki murdered, dumped on "Haunted Starr".........

 

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I'm sorry, and yes I know Swickard is straight, but the only person he's 'clicked' with, was Michael. He feels like Lulu's brother in their scenes, there was zero chemistry with Nelle, and Willow is just Kristina without the girl crushes. Sorry, but elementary school teachers haven't been soap leads since the 1950's for a reason. She's got two huge stories they are obviously planning, dead Wiley's mom and Nina's daughter. She has zero charisma.

 

Entitled brats:     

Both Charlotte and Spencer can both take a flying leap. Between both of them looking down on their cousins and talking like 50 year olds, they seem redundant.

 

Post wedding:

One minute Jordan is throwing her bouquet and Nina catches it. The next, Nina is with Charlotte and whats his face, I mean Valentin  in the city at a show.

 

For the love of gawd, the Red Menace is so force fed to us she is literally in almost every scene.

 

Kim ready to kidnap her kid to South America was also stupid. Of course, it only makes "zero" I mean "hero" Julian look like the best thing since sliced white bread.  Who else remembers his time in jail? You know, when no one missed him?

 

And then there's Maude. I mean Franko....

 

Art therapist (note therapist is'the rapist') by day, father figure to the child he kidnapped years ago by night.  I wonder who will realize Kevin is Ryan first?  It won't be Jordan, Anna, Laura, Lucy, or Felicia. Nope. Odds on favorite will be Franko---distorted faces and constipated looks-- he is the show's new force fed hero...... Again, when he was 'in New York facing lawsuits from his victim's families' the character wasn't missed and his contract was out.     Thanks ValenVarni.....

 

 

 

Maura West is on fire, and the Ryan/Ava chemistry is off the charts.

 

Curtis/Jordan wedding was rushed. I would be more invested had NuTJ been on for a little while, as well as BH as Jordan. The family has been developed (somewhat), and my Stella is gold.   Mike should have accompanied her to the wedding.   As for Curtis, he has chemistry with everyone. Donnell Turner has been a good addition to the show.

 

Poor Finola stuck looking bored af in her story, and who can blame her?  Easton's character is a snooze.  If not for Breetah and Obrecht, , the story would be DOA.   As for Peter, he and Maxie are "there. " Nothing to really give enough thought to, and Lulu is just tweedling around with little to do without Dante.

 

We need more scenes with Monica explaining the Q's history, more Bobbie, more Lucas, more Scott. We need acknowledgment of Gail's death.  More Alexis (sans Jillian), Mac, Felicia, Ned and Liv.

 

Griffin:"I luvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvved her Ava."  Me: okay, last year it was God, then Ava, then dead as a doornail Kiki.  Next it will be Roxy Finn.

 

Kristina and Oscar seem to be joining a cult. That Daisy person was babbling about the teachings of the DOD the other day ....Yaaaawwwnnn!

 

Jason, Sam, Carly and Sonny is the SOS

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Don't care about Margaux, her dead daddy at all. Please Ryan----a little help here will ya?

 

Don't mind Cameron. EM as Joss is annoying, but not the worst. GS as Oscar needs an acting coach, stat.

 

 

 

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I could've sworn they had an acting coach on set? The kid playing Oscar needs help ASAP. I can't believe they gave this kid such a huge story. He's awful. Tamara is the only one actually trying in this storyline. I want to like Kim - because I love Tamara - but the writing just isn't there.

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6 hours ago, slick jones said:

As for Curtis, he has chemistry with everyone. Donnell Turner has been a good addition to the show.

 

I agree. I don't think I'd enjoy Curtis with a different actor. Donnell is just fun to watch. He has so much charisma.

 

Also agree with everyone that the kid playing Oscar never should've been given a big lead story on the story. What were they thinking?

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1 hour ago, WebberFan said:

I could've sworn they had an acting coach on set? The kid playing Oscar needs help ASAP. I can't believe they gave this kid such a huge story. He's awful. Tamara is the only one actually trying in this storyline. I want to like Kim - because I love Tamara - but the writing just isn't there.

Tamara should have been Elizabeth's sister Sarah.  Sarah lives in California, so it could have worked and shored up the Webbers.

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